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Offline phattanglo

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Re: harsh std suspension
Reply #20 on: November 26, 2020, 09:35:07 PM
Just checked, it's says Matris FKE and based on the price I think it's Matris's basic starter kit and as such I think it's more or less the equivalent of the YSS kit.

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Re: harsh std suspension
Reply #21 on: November 26, 2020, 09:41:38 PM
The FKE is just a spring, spacers and cap kit.
 The FSE is the one with the valves.

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Re: harsh std suspension
Reply #22 on: November 26, 2020, 10:27:07 PM
Ah yes I see that now.
So from a budget point of view the YSS is the one to go for.

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Re: harsh std suspension
Reply #23 on: November 26, 2020, 10:51:01 PM
On my 2017 model I don't find the fork so bad for my road use  :034:.
It's not the case of the rear shock, with it i feel like a ball on a racket :087: .

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Re: harsh std suspension
Reply #24 on: November 27, 2020, 09:15:21 AM
*Originally Posted by Neox [+]
On my 2017 model I don't find the fork so bad for my road use  :034:.
It's not the case of the rear shock, with it i feel like a ball on a racket :087: .
You'd be surprised how much a better front fork would help even the mediocre oem shock. The harsh bumps from the forks turn the bike around the centre of gravity pre compressing the rear shock by the time it arrives to the same bump it cannot absorb it at all.

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Re: harsh std suspension
Reply #25 on: November 27, 2020, 09:29:59 AM
*Originally Posted by phattanglo [+]
Ah yes I see that now.
So from a budget point of view the YSS is the one to go for.

If you're frugal, or on a shoestring budget, there is an even more cost effective way.
Do you have access to machining equipment, or at least do you have a dremel at hand? If so, you can buy the springs, pd valves and adjuster caps sperately, to save some more.
Brooks suspension have the pd valves for 87gbp, and linear Ktech spring for another 85-ish with free shipping in the UK. Great quality eBay special fork adjusters are about 30gbp shipped. The pair of 2019 damper rods are about 20gbp shipped from Parzilla.
That's about 220GBP, for a longer than stock, better damped fork both on compression and rebound with all parts. I don't know of any cheaper option than that.

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Re: harsh std suspension
Reply #26 on: November 27, 2020, 10:06:17 AM
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Agree. My biggest mistake with RR kit tuning has been not to replace the fork springs with stiffer one before revalving. Would allow me to use less compression damping and plusher ride.
Absolutely. 5.5N/mm is enduro/off road bike territory, but those have 260-300mm travel to soak up bumps, compared with the officially 140mm of the 500x. Funny is, that RR uses the same spring rate for the 140mm stock, and 170mm L2 travel. I understand the financial and logistics realities of it, but after trying it, not my piece of cake.

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Re: harsh std suspension
Reply #27 on: November 27, 2020, 10:20:14 AM
*Originally Posted by Oyabun [+]
You'd be surprised how much a better front fork would help even the mediocre oem shock.
The rear spring is too hard for my weight. When I sit on the bike the rear suspension move so little, even with minimum preload...

On my previous bike I do the mistake to buy a schock with "standard" spring, too hard, not adapted to my weight. hydraulics managed the movement better, but with a suitable spring it would have been much better!

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Re: harsh std suspension
Reply #28 on: November 27, 2020, 03:09:42 PM
*Originally Posted by Neox [+]
The rear spring is too hard for my weight. When I sit on the bike the rear suspension move so little, even with minimum preload...

 

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Re: harsh std suspension
Reply #29 on: November 27, 2020, 03:12:35 PM
With regard to the other option you advised, what is it that needs machining?