Author [ES] [CA] [PL] [PT] [IT] [DE] [FR] [NL] [DK] [NO] [GR] [TR] Topic: "X" to "F"  (Read 2090 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline cbf1000

  • CB500X Member
  • **
  • Posts: 14
  • Country: gb
    • View Profile
Re: "X" to "F"
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2019, 02:21:54 PM »
The increase in seat height on the 2019 CB500X has made me cancel my plans to use this bike for my 2020 European tour.  Having researched what else is available the best alternative plan I can think of is to use the CB500F instead as mentioned by macamxthe1st.  The 500X seat height is now 830mm but the 500F is still only 789mm which is fine for me when the bike is fully loaded.
The problem is that the 500F is a "street" bike.  Although it shares the same engine as the 500X it does not have the same protection for touring and I am not sure if the gear ratios are the same and if it has the slipper clutch the 500X has now.
Another problem is that I have GIVI 37L Outback Trekker hard cases and Trekker 46N top box from my 2017 500X which I want to keep using.  The top box rails are no problem but the pannier racks are currently in manufacturing by GIVI for the 2019 500X and they will eventually only offer V35 racks for the 2019 500F. 
Does anybody know if the 500X pannier racks will go on the 500F i.e. are the frame mounting points the same?  Does the 2019 500X screen go on the 500F and can you buy the screen?  Are the gear ratios and final sprocket size the same?  Any other advice on configuring the 500F as an X would be much appreciated.

Online Oyabun

  • CB500X Pro
  • ***
  • Posts: 483
  • Country: hu
    • View Profile
  • Bike: 13 500XA, 16 FA
  • City / Town: Europe
Re: "X" to "F"
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2019, 08:36:06 PM »
The cb500f will never be the same as an 500x. The X has it's fairing and instrument tower mounted to the frame.
What about buying a low mileage or new 2018 500x model for a lot less than a 19 and spending the difference on suspension?

Offline gregjet

  • CB500X Pro
  • ***
  • Posts: 247
  • Country: au
  • Go forth and modify
    • View Profile
  • Bike: CB500X
  • City / Town: Bundaberg
Re: "X" to "F"
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2019, 09:03:19 PM »
If you put the r/f seat on the x the seat will be lowered  pretty much the 40mm you are seaking AND the front is narrower so effectively even lower. You would be sitting on the same seat as an F/R anyway.
And you get the extra fuel capacity of the X ( maybe not so important in tiny little Europe with service stations close together I suppose).

Offline cbf1000

  • CB500X Member
  • **
  • Posts: 14
  • Country: gb
    • View Profile
Re: "X" to "F"
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2019, 08:51:51 AM »
Many thanks for your replies.  I did consider getting the 2018 bike but the 2019 has excellent upgrades.  The R/F seat option looks a winner and I will definitely look into that.

Online Oyabun

  • CB500X Pro
  • ***
  • Posts: 483
  • Country: hu
    • View Profile
  • Bike: 13 500XA, 16 FA
  • City / Town: Europe
Re: "X" to "F"
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2019, 09:32:24 AM »
Just a warning. The sear swap on the 500x is an involved process.
Greg has excellent fabrications skills and time at hand, and his creation is still not a factory looking result. I personally don't mind easthetics and merely concentrate on function, but not all are the same. Also resell value of a brand new 19 model bike will probably take a serious dent after such mods - but they might be reversible and a long distance trip might be also detrimental to resell value too.
Imo if your planned route is mostly on pavement I see more benefit in using a well suspended 18 model than a 19 on stock suspension.

Offline yeendy

  • CB500X Member
  • **
  • Posts: 12
  • Country: gb
    • View Profile
  • City / Town: kings Lynn
Re: "X" to "F"
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2019, 11:25:55 AM »
I am very interested in this mod , do you have anymore pics ?

Offline cbf1000

  • CB500X Member
  • **
  • Posts: 14
  • Country: gb
    • View Profile
Re: "X" to "F"
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2019, 01:51:48 PM »
Thanks for that info.  What is involved in installing an R/F seat onto the X?  I got the impression that the frame fixing points were the same and it was just a straight swap - even though the R/F seat appears to be two separate pieces.

Offline gregjet

  • CB500X Pro
  • ***
  • Posts: 247
  • Country: au
  • Go forth and modify
    • View Profile
  • Bike: CB500X
  • City / Town: Bundaberg
Re: "X" to "F"
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2019, 09:26:15 PM »
The seat fits on the X subframe  ( which IS different from the R/F) with very minor mods. here is the last post with some pics. https://www.cb500x.com/index.php/topic,8065.0.html.
The frame rails are the same, the rear cowl is NOT, but this does not affect the seat only fitting the R/F cowl.  There will be a depression in the back of the tank . I glued a foam piece in there which looks OK. 
I make a simple 5mm plate using existing thread points and threaded the plate for the rear seat mounts plus added nylon spacers ( I made some Al ones to start as proof of concept) . That was it. BTW the 4 holes are all in a line. Just need the line through the frame mount holes and space the seat ones from the centre. Be willing to bet the original prototype for the x had a R/F seat.

 The X seat can be refitted  with only the removal of the plate and the foam piece. All this is on a 2013. If there are changes to the later models it may not work as easily.
I fitted a rear seat cover from a cbr/f but that takes a bit more fabrication. My current goal is tofit pannier racks and make a lock down back rack plate using the original seat  lock. Just gotta find the time.
« Last Edit: August 16, 2019, 09:43:43 PM by gregjet »

Offline cbf1000

  • CB500X Member
  • **
  • Posts: 14
  • Country: gb
    • View Profile
Re: "X" to "F"
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2019, 12:23:21 PM »
Many thanks Gregjet - looks feasible for me.

Offline JMo

  • CB500X God
  • *****
  • Posts: 1307
  • Country: us
    • View Profile
  • Bike: CB500X RRL2
Re: "X" to "F"
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2019, 01:39:36 AM »
You could just buy a 2019 CB500X, fit 20mm lowering links (Rally-Raid sell them), and then trim some foam out of the seat if it's still a bit too high?

Jx
It's not a unicorn as such, just a little mule with a bump on it's head... www.CB500Xadventure.com

 


Recent Topics