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A request to the collective of current (and past) owners of Rally-Raid kitted CB500Xs…

Prompted by a conversation with Liz from Rally-Raid HQ the other day, she commented that they have been receiving an increasing number of enquires recently from potential customers asking if and where they could have their wheel and suspension upgrades professionally installed… and similarly I frequently get PMs here and on various other online forums asking much the same question.

Now I trust a good number of you are aware already that the Rally-Raid kits are designed to be straight-forward DIY fit (certainly with no cutting or welding required) - typically in a home garage with basic workshop tools... but that is not to say that everyone has the space/facilities or indeed even the inclination to undertake the conversion themselves, which is understandable especially if you have limited experience of typical DIY motorcycle maintenance tasks and procedures.

So we thought it might be a nice idea to try and put together a list of recommended workshops and dealers - based on those who have actual experience of fitting the Rally-Raid kits on your behalf - so that this information can be passed on to anyone with a similar enquiry.

Typically we’d be looking for the Name, Location (including country!) and Contact Information (eg. address/email/phone number or combination of such), together with an indication of their workshop labour rates*

*now I realise that some of you may have cut a deal with your mechanic, or had the fitting done as part of a combined invoice for example -  and in those instances, if you’d prefer not to say how much you paid, that is quite understandable - hence asking for their general hourly rate so that other customers can budget accordingly.

So please feel free to either post your experiences here - including a brief description of the experience if you feel inclined... and/or perhaps PM me directly if you would rather pass on any information more anonymously for any reason, and I can compile the list and summarise it here on your behalf.

Obviously we can appreciate that over the years Rally-Raid kits have been sold worldwide, and indeed many countries themselves are huge, so  we’re not likely to end up with a ‘dealer’ in every city by any means… however, we trust that by pooling our collective knowledge here, we will reasonably quickly be able to offer a list of suitable fitting locations for those willing to travel a reasonably distance if they are so inclined.

Looking forward to hearing your recommendations!

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Re: Recommended Rally-Raid [professional] fitting locations/workshops
Reply #1 on: December 12, 2019, 10:09:38 AM
Just a thought, maybe to your benefit ?

As you say, it's easy DIY spannering. So any place that services motorcycles would find it easy.

If you publish a list of known good fitters then you are hinting that you need a specialist for your kits. They in turn may put up their prices.

So, should you say be saying "any place that services motorcycles can fit our kits" ?

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Re: Recommended Rally-Raid [professional] fitting locations/workshops
Reply #2 on: December 12, 2019, 10:34:50 AM
In my experience not every motorcycle services can do it - last tyre change I mentioned to mechanic that my fork has RRP kit mounted inside.

He said "Whatsthis?" I tried to explain that it's a kind of valve emulator.
"Uhhh, never heard about it".

Seconds later I was honoured by priceless advice to not overfill the coolant tank :745:

P.D. Had very positive experience with Novatech Suspensiones S.L. in Valencia  :152:



Last Edit: December 12, 2019, 10:39:26 AM by timur

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Re: Recommended Rally-Raid [professional] fitting locations/workshops
Reply #3 on: December 12, 2019, 12:18:27 PM
*Originally Posted by timur [+]
In my experience not every motorcycle services can do it -

You got me there !

How about "any place that services motorcycles competently can fit our kits" ?

It's not quite that easy though, I guess. Bigger dealers are geared up and maybe full of work supporting normal bikes.
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Re: Recommended Rally-Raid [professional] fitting locations/workshops
Reply #4 on: December 12, 2019, 04:07:57 PM
*Originally Posted by hilldweller [+]
Just a thought, maybe to your benefit ?

As you say, it's easy DIY spannering. So any place that services motorcycles would find it easy.

If you publish a list of known good fitters then you are hinting that you need a specialist for your kits. They in turn may put up their prices.

So, should you say be saying "any place that services motorcycles can fit our kits" ?

KISS

I think you're missing the point there Hilldweller - we're not looking for suggestions of people/companies who might be able to fit the kit, we are looking specifically for recommendations of those people/companies who HAVE fitted a kit - that have actual experience of how it all goes together, that subsequent customers can trust if they don't wish to, or don't have the facilities/space to do it themselves.

I trust that clarifies things!

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Last Edit: December 12, 2019, 04:17:00 PM by JMo
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Re: Recommended Rally-Raid [professional] fitting locations/workshops
Reply #5 on: December 12, 2019, 04:26:00 PM
*Originally Posted by JMo [+]
I trust that clarifies things!
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Re: Recommended Rally-Raid [professional] fitting locations/workshops
Reply #6 on: December 13, 2019, 09:49:23 PM
Hi Jenny,

I'm still mulling over if I should get a Level 1 or Level 2 kit. I like how my 2018 is set up, how it rides, and the farkle$ I've added.

That said, it was my plan to do most of the upgrade myself (in my one-person, three-season garage) and perhaps get Konflict to help with the finishing touches or help solve unforeseen problems, and also get them to dial-in the suspension correctly.

But Konflict left the Seattle area this past year, and moved to Austin. I'm guessing Konflict would still be a good (and current) resource for those that don't have the tools, time, space, or inclination.

https://www.konflictmotorsports.com/
Last Edit: December 13, 2019, 09:51:08 PM by Twempie

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Re: Recommended Rally-Raid [professional] fitting locations/workshops
Reply #7 on: December 13, 2019, 10:25:44 PM
*Originally Posted by Twempie [+]
Hi Jenny,

I'm still mulling over if I should get a Level 1 or Level 2 kit. I like how my 2018 is set up, how it rides, and the farkle$ I've added.

That said, it was my plan to do most of the upgrade myself (in my one-person, three-season garage) and perhaps get Konflict to help with the finishing touches or help solve unforeseen problems, and also get them to dial-in the suspension correctly.

But Konflict left the Seattle area this past year, and moved to Austin. I'm guessing Konflict would still be a good (and current) resource for those that don't have the tools, time, space, or inclination.

https://www.konflictmotorsports.com/

Hi Twempie - yes, Alex at Konflict has an excellent suspension service and set-up facility, and indeed they are the US service agent for TracTive who make the Rally-Raid shocks and spring & valve components of the fork kits too.

However, I am not aware that Alex has actually fully assembled a Rally-Raid kit onto a bike... as I highlighted in my original post, all the Rally-Raid parts are designed to be a straight forward enough to fit yourself - as long as you have the space/ reasonable mechanical knowledge and a modest collection of tools - which obviously someone like Alex would be able to do easily I'm sure... but ideally we are looking for a list of workshops who have already fitted the complete kit, and can confidently quote accurately (based on their hourly rate) for any potential customer, based on whatever combination of components they wish to have fitted.

As an example, having fitted a number these kits myself of course over the years, we suggest allowing 8 hours for a full wheel/suspension package, engine guard, and typically things like fat-bars & hand-guards and/or luggage racks for example. Don't forget that typically you'll also need to allow for the cost/time of fitting new tyres to the spoked wheels too.

Obviously the more simple jobs like bolting on essentially accessories can be done pretty easily by anyone with the tools/space; and indeed it is worth keeping in mind that what might appear to be straight-forward jobs like fitting hand-guards and routing auxiliary socket wiring can add a significant amount of time (and therefore cost if you're paying a professional) compared to the 'big stuff' like fitting the wheels and shock, which are actually very straight-forward direct-replacement components.

So again I'd reiterate that anyone with the work-space and basic knowledge of motorcycle maintenance (remember you'll be replacing all your fork internal parts for example) is quite capable of doing all that is required, and I always suggest it's a great way to get to know the workings of your bike (particularly useful if you plan to head off on an extend trip and want to be confident you know how your bike goes together, and how anything might be adjusted or repaired) - but equally, if the recent PMs and email enquiries are anything to go by, there are also a number of people who just want to menu price the kit and fitting, and simply enjoy riding!

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Re: Recommended Rally-Raid [professional] fitting locations/workshops
Reply #8 on: December 14, 2019, 07:04:54 PM
Jenny, This sounds like an opportunity to expand on your idea of shops that have done the work, and add any prospective shops that would take on a the project.

All the information that’s needed is available, ie. you have to repeat yourself over and over, answering the same questions; the how-to videos exist but are spread around the web; and all the required bits and pieces are on the RR site (but not really laid out well IMHO).

I believe if the information needed for a Level 1 or Level 2 kit was presented as a scope of work or RFP - such as a one page PDF - to a dealer or shop, they would be inclined to offer an estimate of cost.

Personally, I would just be interested in the suspension upgrades and maybe the engine guard (after my bolt stripping experience) on the RFP, as the shop could easily figure out how much it would cost for the likes of Barkbuster installation, etc.

When I purchased my 2018, the salesman offered that I should talk to their techs if or when I upgrade to RR. At the time, I thought a one or two page PDF with scope of work and perhaps links to a centralized online resource page would’ve been a good idea.

Last Edit: December 14, 2019, 07:07:03 PM by Twempie

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Re: Recommended Rally-Raid [professional] fitting locations/workshops
Reply #9 on: December 15, 2019, 12:10:52 PM
Ummm... I might be too much technical (done three RR conversions so far) but I think the RR installation instructions are perfect both as scope of work and detailed instructions. Being a few pages only per work item (e.g. front fork install, rears shock etc.) they are great resource available from a single source having enough information to any mechanic to give a quotation.
One could add a guesstimate time to install reference per item, but I can guarantee you it would vary big time between different skill levels and specific experience. Being an experienced mechanic completing the first time install took me almost twice the time than the third.
So I'd say the install videos are much more for enthusiasts self install - even as a semi-professional mechanic (I earn my wages working as a tech related economist, but I have a degree and experience as a mechanic) I'd rather check a few printed pages to give a quotation than watching a half an hour video.