Honda CB500X

Main CB500X Boards => Maintenance and Servicing => Topic started by: scomeau1 on March 09, 2014, 11:06:44 PM

Title: Service Manual
Post by: scomeau1 on March 09, 2014, 11:06:44 PM
 :002: Is there a service manual from Honda that I can but for the CB500X ?

Thanks !
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Defender on March 10, 2014, 12:18:37 AM
Yes there is a workshop manual. If you google it or do a search on this forum, you should find it . It' produced in the US I believe. Covers all models.

###Link removed as supplier is selling unauthorised copies of the original manual which is copyright theft###

Try at the above addy
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Defender on March 13, 2014, 02:51:10 PM
Have you seen the size of the manual, it's 280mmx220mmx28mm & it's worth the cost, especially when you think what it could save you. Factored in to the cost of the bike, the price is very little. Think of it as a accessory.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: jsonder on March 13, 2014, 07:59:09 PM
Additionally, the 2014 version is unchanged.  Get it at the good price.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: ButchV on March 18, 2014, 02:19:38 AM
Ordered the service manual tonight.  Nice thing to have, and a fair price.  The owners manual has info on ordering the manual too on page 122 (English version)  but maybe in other languages the page might be the same?  ~ Butch
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Cam on March 18, 2014, 07:03:26 AM
Honda US site links to Helm Inc for service manuals

http://helminc.com/helm/welcome_retail_ahc.asp (http://helminc.com/helm/welcome_retail_ahc.asp)

Finally found the CB500 series manual.  No detailed info or pics though of the manual which is a bit annoying when trying to decide if it will be useful for myself  :006:
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Defender on March 18, 2014, 11:10:55 AM
Here's an odd thing, following link for helminc, the manual part no is 61MGZ01, while link I gave for ###copyrighted material-illegal link### quotes part 61MGZ00. There is also quite a price difference, I find this baffling. Am I missing something? (apart from grey cells)
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: tizzy23 on March 18, 2014, 11:51:45 AM
Got mine in the mail yesterday. Didn't open it yet but I was surprised how heavy the package was.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: benbu on March 18, 2014, 10:46:23 PM
*Originally Posted by Defender [+]
Here's an odd thing, following link for helminc, the manual part no is 61MGZ01, while link I gave for ###copyrighted material-illegal link### quotes part 61MGZ00. There is also quite a price difference, I find this baffling. Am I missing something? (apart from grey cells)


I bought the 61MGZ00 version of the manual and just received it a few days ago.  I'm interested in understanding the differences. 

Do you think it could relate to the change in the first valve check?   

Or possibly they just corrected a few typos?
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: jsonder on March 19, 2014, 04:17:46 AM
There are no changes in the Honda Service Manual for the cb500 family.

The updates are just sticker for the cover showing that 61MGZ01 is for 2013-2014 bikes.  Nothing in the manual was changed.  Order the cheaper 61MGZ00 as that is what is sent with the stickers for the cover.

I know, I bought the 01 version to be sure it had the "updates".  There aren't any!
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Defender on March 19, 2014, 05:40:04 PM
Thanks jsonder for clearing up that little mystery. I hope you didn't have to pay loads more money for the privilege of having that sticker.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: andystracey on April 04, 2014, 06:34:27 PM
anyone know if this is available from a UK supplier?
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: mww916 on April 04, 2014, 09:22:14 PM
*Originally Posted by Defender [+]
Here's an odd thing, following link for helminc, the manual part no is 61MGZ01, while link I gave for ###copyrighted material-illegal link### quotes part 61MGZ00. There is also quite a price difference, I find this baffling. Am I missing something? (apart from grey cells)

Must have been a glitch - both manuals are now the same cost $US49.95

Are they any good?
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Defender on April 04, 2014, 09:43:43 PM
Yes they are good, weight about 3lb. Sometimes you need to refer to several sections to get the full picture of something , but almost essential if you plan to work on the bike yourself. I'm ploughing my way through it & have found lots of stuff I would't have known otherwise.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: jsonder on April 04, 2014, 10:34:56 PM
The first reply in this thread has the link to one of the $35 versions. 

I needed it yesterday for the windscreenectomy that I performed.   :008:
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Xaero on April 12, 2014, 04:43:16 AM
Does Honda provide a PDF version of the service manual anywhere?
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: jsonder on April 12, 2014, 02:01:07 PM
*Originally Posted by Xaero [+]
Does Honda provide a PDF version of the service manual anywhere?

Not that I am aware of.  If you hope to do more than change your own oil, it is a good thing to have.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Englishman on July 30, 2014, 03:45:13 PM
My Honda service manual turned up today and I have to say it's better than I expected and anticipated, well worth the money, a must have!
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: andystracey on July 30, 2014, 09:02:40 PM
Englishman, where did you buy yours?
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Englishman on July 30, 2014, 09:06:47 PM
From here as suggested earlier in this thread

###Link removed as supplier is selling unauthorised copies of the original manual which is copyright theft###

Fast delivery from the supplier too
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Macca on August 02, 2014, 11:36:25 AM
Just ordered the manual.  Seemed like good value to me.  I will be able to save this much using the manual the first time I do some work that i would have had to pay for if I didn't have it.   :152:

Cheers

Iain
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Defender on August 02, 2014, 12:40:56 PM
Macca, you are absolutely right, taking the sensible view. It will pay for itself in a very short time and you'll have more knowledge of your X.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: crnbndr on August 31, 2014, 03:32:46 PM
you all seem to have better luck getting the manual than I have. I ordered the manual when I order the bike back in april, now have 9200 miles on the bike and still DON'T have the manual. have been back to the dealer 3 times to ask where it is and keep getting told its on backorder.

seems strange to me that Honda wouldn't have a decent ratio of books to bikes
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Dave1899 on August 31, 2014, 05:10:35 PM
I ordered my Service Manual from here ~> http://www.sell.com/2GJJWB (http://www.sell.com/2GJJWB) Cost $35 and I got it in about a week.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: crazy doctor on August 31, 2014, 05:22:57 PM
I ordered a hand book in English 8 months ago still waiting good old Honda Thailand :006:
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: SCCBX on August 31, 2014, 10:21:13 PM
Ordered one last week and it is supposed to be here by Thursday.  Will evaluate upon arrival and then list source if a positive experience.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Macca on September 01, 2014, 01:21:11 AM
I got my manual from the link recommended by Englishman a few pages back.  Very happy with it, good quality and took about a week to get to me in Oz.

Cheers

Iain
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: aai on September 01, 2014, 03:33:55 AM
*Originally Posted by Dave1899 [+]
I ordered my Service Manual from here ~> http://www.sell.com/2GJJWB (http://www.sell.com/2GJJWB) Cost $35 and I got it in about a week.
+1 :307:
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: SCCBX on September 02, 2014, 09:32:26 PM
Mine came in today and I was very pleased with the transaction.  Got it in about a week also.  Cost was $41 including shipping.  Was packaged very well and arrived in great shape.  Here is the source I used:

###Link removed as supplier is selling unauthorised copies of the original manual which is copyright theft###

Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Grim Rider on September 16, 2014, 01:04:19 PM
$55 including $20 shipping to the UK
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: bgagnon on September 16, 2014, 06:22:50 PM
*Originally Posted by Grim Rider [+]
$55 including $20 shipping to the UK

Same here. Received it in Canada in about a week. A must for serious, less serious or not serious at all mechanic wanna-be  :164:
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Grim Rider on September 16, 2014, 10:06:54 PM
Aye - but I don't know if I'd rather it ended up like the one for my CRF which I never got round to opening, or the one for my GS which is falling apart and covered in oily thumb prints!  :001:
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: bgagnon on September 16, 2014, 10:16:28 PM
*Originally Posted by Grim Rider [+]
Aye - but I don't know if I'd rather it ended up like the one for my CRF which I never got round to opening, or the one for my GS which is falling apart and covered in oily thumb prints!  :001:
Let me guess... The one falling apart is the one you have more kms  with :008:
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: jsonder on September 17, 2014, 12:12:07 AM
*Originally Posted by Grim Rider [+]
Aye - but I don't know if I'd rather it ended up like the one for my CRF which I never got round to opening, or the one for my GS which is falling apart and covered in oily thumb prints!  :001:

The CRF designs are usually pretty trouble free and the access is easy.

I will admit that my CRF manual does not have nearly as many greasy finger prints as the manual for the old NX250 had.  This is partially due to the screw and locknut valve adjustment of the CRF, compared to the shim under bucket adjustment of the NX250 (that required removing the camshafts to replace shims).  Plus, I had to trouble shoot a failing cdi on the NX250 upon purchase while the CRF was obtained new.  Also, I rode the NX250 a bit over 24000 miles first as a dirt bike and later as my street bike, while the CRF only has 13000 miles as a trail bike.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Grim Rider on September 17, 2014, 08:46:07 AM
You have a point - 2000 miles on the CRF, 114000 on the GS!
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: jsonder on September 17, 2014, 04:12:19 PM
Your mileage on the two bikes tells the true story.   :002:
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: slapheid on September 23, 2014, 07:53:39 AM
###Link removed as supplier is selling unauthorised copies of the original manual which is copyright theft###

Cost $55 (36) was dispatched the same day I ordered it and arrived within a few days despite being quoted 7-10 days it was here inside 3 days. Guy sent me an e-mail when it was dispatched including a picture of the actual package.

I've no intention of selling my CB500X as it's the perfect bike but should I get a second project bike.

An excellent investment that will hopefully pay for itself by the time I've fitted the auxiliary lights this weekend - clear colour wiring diagrams included  :002:

Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Grim Rider on September 23, 2014, 12:41:17 PM
I had same experience - very good service, plus cost of postage was a fair bit higher than he charged ($31.75 to UK but charged $22).
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: nehal on September 28, 2014, 05:50:41 PM
I have ordered off the website for $55 dollars to the UK with paypal. Hopefully all goes smoothly! Will let you know!
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Darth_Firebolt on October 21, 2014, 11:20:17 PM
*Originally Posted by slapheid [+]
###Link removed as supplier is selling unauthorised copies of the original manual which is copyright theft###

Cost $55 (36) was dispatched the same day I ordered it and arrived within a few days despite being quoted 7-10 days it was here inside 3 days. Guy sent me an e-mail when it was dispatched including a picture of the actual package.:

just as a heads up, it's on sale for $35 USD right now. $41 shipped is pretty freaking hard to beat.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: gavmac on October 22, 2014, 12:54:20 AM
*Originally Posted by Darth_Firebolt [+]
just as a heads up, it's on sale for $35 USD right now. $41 shipped is pretty freaking hard to beat.

Thanks, ordered a copy, postage $25 to Australia for anyone else interested
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: badpauly on November 24, 2014, 06:18:07 AM
Checked Helm, they wanted to charge me:
Item:   US$49.95
Handling:    US$39.95
Shipping:    US$145.65
Order Total:    US$235.55

Yeah, like that will happen.

US$60 shipped to Aus is still not cheap, but a lot bloody cheaper than US$235
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Porkster on November 24, 2014, 06:19:37 PM
*Originally Posted by gavmac [+]
Thanks, ordered a copy, postage $25 to Australia for anyone else interested
Just ordered my copy for the same price US$35 and postage US$25 to New Zealand. Not a bad price overall.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Dukie on November 28, 2014, 01:28:01 AM
ordered  this. seen on ebay for around 100, someone trying their luck
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: TheRubberWolf on December 14, 2014, 04:39:01 PM
Before I buy this manual for my up and coming CB500X, can someone confirm if the manual itself is geared towards U.S. Standard measurements and volumes, or is it in Metric?

I don't reckon that the US version of the CB500 would have different bolt sizes or torque settings or volumes the EU version or anything, but who knows. Well. I mean, one of you might know. Do you?
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Grim Rider on December 14, 2014, 07:15:09 PM
If you get genuine Honda manual all measurements will be in metric as that is what Japanes bikes are built with, although typically most measurements are also listed in imperial). Torque settings are listed in N-m, kgf-m, and lb-ft so all base covered  :002:
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Defender on December 14, 2014, 07:17:15 PM
RubberWolf, I'm not sure there is a Euro version of the manual. In the one I have, nut and bolt sizes are of course metric, torque figures are given in 3 ways, N.m; kgf.m; lbf.m. Wiring diags are US version(OP plug is 2pin).
Hope that's what you need to know
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: TheRubberWolf on December 14, 2014, 07:29:18 PM
*Originally Posted by Defender [+]
RubberWolf, I'm not sure there is a Euro version of the manual. In the one I have, nut and bolt sizes are of course metric, torque figures are given in 3 ways, N.m; kgf.m; lbf.m. Wiring diags are US version(OP plug is 2pin).
Hope that's what you need to know

*Originally Posted by Grim Rider [+]
If you get genuine Honda manual all measurements will be in metric as that is what Japanes bikes are built with, although typically most measurements are also listed in imperial). Torque settings are listed in N-m, kgf-m, and lb-ft so all base covered  :002:

This is perfect guys, thank you. I definitely think I'll be getting one, even though my first few services need to be done by Honda / Honda approved garages to keep the Warranty from being quibbled over.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Dukie on December 15, 2014, 07:02:30 AM
Its not eu... It has 12000 mile jobs like brake fluid and air filter change which in uk are 16000
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: crazy doctor on December 15, 2014, 07:44:33 AM
 grim sorry but the x is made in thailand not Japan hope you are ok after your misahap.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: crazy doctor on December 15, 2014, 07:50:07 AM
The service here in Thailand is 1000 6000 and 1200 KM not miles but change the oil every 3000 Km and use 10 40 grade due to the heat and dust.and changed air fliter at 12000 KM doc
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Grim Rider on December 15, 2014, 10:07:19 AM
*Originally Posted by crazy doctor [+]
grim sorry but the x is made in thailand not Japan hope you are ok after your misahap.

I know the X is built in Thailand but it is still the product of a Japanese company. My Bonneville was also built in Thailand - given the rubbish quality of some of the metals (brake callipers, spokes) on that, I was concerned about the X before I built it but either the lack of chrome or better quality of parts means it seems to be surviving the British winter better! I'm fine thanks Doc.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: mandos-andos on February 12, 2015, 03:20:13 AM
Can anyone tell me what the difference is with the codes below - I am pretty sure I have seen one of these codes recently (associated with my 2014 cb500x) but my dementia is not getting out of the way to let me remember where   :187:

61MGZ00

61MGZ02

They appear in the following...

2013-2014 Honda CB500X / CB500XA / CB500 / CB 500 Part# 61MGZ00 service shop repair manual

2013, 2014, 2015 OEM Honda CBR500R / CBR500RA / CB500F / CB500FA / CB500X / CB500XA Part# 61MGZ02 Service Shop Repair Manual
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: jsonder on February 12, 2015, 03:34:19 AM
The numbers are the "part numbers" for the Honda Service manual.  The 61MGZ01 manual for the 2014 model year was a relabeled (using stickers) 61MGZ00 manual for the 2013 bike.  There was no content change.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: mandos-andos on February 12, 2015, 03:36:05 AM
Thanks for the confirmation jsonder
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Cam on February 12, 2015, 09:47:51 AM
*Originally Posted by jsonder [+]
The numbers are the "part numbers" for the Honda Service manual.  The 61MGZ01 manual for the 2014 model year was a relabeled (using stickers) 61MGZ00 manual for the 2013 bike.  There was no content change.

and this is why I love this forum!  :152:
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: tango19 on February 12, 2015, 09:53:26 AM
*Originally Posted by Cam [+]
and this is why I love this forum!  :152:
2nd that, reminded me to order a manual, which I have just done.  :152:
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: mandos-andos on February 12, 2015, 10:23:56 AM
*Originally Posted by tango19 [+]
2nd that, reminded me to order a manual, which I have just done.  :152:

triple that - gonna go do the same. Cheers! :460:
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Defender on February 12, 2015, 11:37:43 AM
I think the address given in the 2nd post of this thread is still the best place to get the Manual. Can someone confirm for an update.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: tango19 on February 12, 2015, 11:44:08 AM
Just ordered from that supplier Defender, will let you know when it arrives  :002:

Edit:- forgot to mention 40.65 inc shipping
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: mandos-andos on February 12, 2015, 11:51:07 AM
I'll do the same. Just ordered a manual. Cost of purchase and shipping AU$80 to Australia - a lot less than other options out there.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Defender on February 12, 2015, 12:20:57 PM
Thanks guys, the cost is a bit painful, but at least we know that supplier still seems the best. So anyone contemplating buying has up to date info.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: perk on February 12, 2015, 08:22:31 PM
I also ordered a manual, $60, including shipping to Sweden.  :306:
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: gavmac on February 13, 2015, 01:16:37 AM
I purchased mine from the guy in Defenders post on the first page and he is a top guy. He photographs the package as he despatches it and emails that to you. On mine he made a mistake and sent it to Canada rather than Australia, when I contacted him to let him know, he immediately (same day) allowing for time difference despatched another one direct to me. The one via Canada actually arrived two days before the direct one! I refused to accept the second one from the postlady and it got sent back to him, so yours may have a few air miles under it already!
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: rhobgoblins on February 13, 2015, 08:42:30 AM
Just ordered mine from the same place - $35 + $25 postage to UK. Postage actually worked out at $35 but he absorbed the difference. Top seller.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: JohnE on February 23, 2015, 03:27:21 PM
Just received mine from the same place (USA) and again he said he didn't charge enough for postage. Thought he would have learned by now but no complaints from me as service (and price) seem fine and would recommend.
However, just glanced through the manual and need help (I'm an old timer who cut his teeth on old British iron).
What do the following stand for?
PGM-FI  DTC  ECM MCS MIL
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Defender on February 23, 2015, 03:34:05 PM
JohnE, the vital one is RTFM, try page 1-2  of service manual
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: andybeeone on February 23, 2015, 04:44:07 PM
 :745: Nice one D. :152:
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: JohnE on February 23, 2015, 04:47:54 PM
Advice I've given many others over the years but obviously didn't heed myself. Well I did say I had glanced through the manual - obviously didn't read the first few pages. Thanks
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Defender on February 23, 2015, 04:59:00 PM
No problem John, we've all done something similar. Can't see for looking sometimes. Good to see you've got the manual.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Admin on February 23, 2015, 05:32:54 PM
Guys, sorry to be a killjoy but please be careful what you post. The supplier that's mainly referred to in this thread is actually selling unauthorised copies of the original manual. It's selling at a great price and there's a good reason for that.

I know that these manuals are really useful and that everyone has tried to be genuinly helpful to other members by posting details, but unfortunately the forum would be at serious risk of prosecution if we were complicite in promoting copyright theft. Yes I know these links and suppliers are rife all over the internet but that's no defence in a legal sense. Also, bear in mind that this supplier is no longer on eBay or Sell.com as his accounts have been terminated.

Sorry, but I've had to remove that link to the supplier previously discussed. Obviously what you do in private is entirely up to you but we can't have such links actually posted on the forum, however helpful they may be to others. If you really want such a copy then do a Google search and you'll probably find what you want without too much trouble.  :038:

As far as I know the only legitimate source is your Honda dealer or Helm in the US who sell them under licence.

Cheers  :821:
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: X-Centric on February 25, 2015, 11:01:14 AM
Admin

I'm not entirely sure that what you are saying is correct globally, and this is a global forum.
Whilst certainly in some countries there is legal protection through copyright laws, there are also both valid arguments against this and some legislation already existing in the US and some legislation due to come into force soon.

For instance the Clean Air Act 1990 amendments requires that some data must be made available, and the proposed Motor Vehicle Owners Right to Repair act US (due 2018) enlarges on this and requires diagnostic codes and repair data available in a common format.

Other arguments include that restricting this information is anti competitive, leads to an unfair commercial advantage, is a restrictive practice, affects safety, affect your right to enjoy a product etc.

It is however very unlikely that you will be prosecuted for owning a copy of an unauthorised manual, although distributing it could lead to either a cease and desist order or a claim for compensation under copyright law. The matter is however not entirely clear cut and there are arguments both for and against.

See these links for some further reading:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_Vehicle_Owners%27_Right_to_Repair_Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_Vehicle_Owners%27_Right_to_Repair_Act)

http://www.autonews.com/article/20140125/RETAIL05/301279936/automakers-agree-to-right-to-repair-deal (http://www.autonews.com/article/20140125/RETAIL05/301279936/automakers-agree-to-right-to-repair-deal)

http://www.wired.com/2012/11/cease-and-desist-manuals-planned-obsolescence/all/ (http://www.wired.com/2012/11/cease-and-desist-manuals-planned-obsolescence/all/)

http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/copyright-law-repair-manuals-circular-economy (http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/copyright-law-repair-manuals-circular-economy)

As to your suggestion about obtaining an authorised copy from your local Honda dealer, as far as I know these are not available, my Honda dealer would very much like one themselves, which perhaps explains why when adjusting the valve clearances they removed the cam bearing caps and relocated the cams to make the adjustment, whilst the service manual says to remove the rocker arm shaft. I queried this at the time as I had a CRF250L previously that also had underslung rockers (I know them as finger followers). Most previous Honda DOHC engines used bucket and shim adjustments.

So Admin, or anyone else if you know the correct part number for the fully authorised Service Manual please could you post it here please, because as far as I know there isn't one.

One thing is for sure next time I purchase a new motorcycle the deal will be for a new machine and service manual, no manual no deal.

I purchased one of these Service Manuals from the US, the service from the seller was great in my experience, excellent comms and delivered within a week at a cost of $10 more postage than I was charged.

p.s I think it's bear in mind not bare.

Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Admin on February 25, 2015, 12:30:58 PM
Your quite right the laws on this a vary around the world but we're UK owned and hosted so UK/EU laws apply. Consequently, unless we eventually have a UK equivalent then the proposed Right to Repair Act wouldnt apply here, even if you were a US member accessing from the USA. Nevertheless it is an interesting development and one to watch.

However, laws apart, we have our own forum policy on this..

...You also agree not to post, link to, or promote the unauthorised use of any copyrighted material unless you own the copyright or you have written consent from the owner of the copyrighted material...

Thats basically there to cover ourselves, not just on service manuals, but for any copyrighted material.

Fact is the web site in question is copying copyrighted material and reselling/distributing it without permission from the copyright holder and in this country thats illegal. To allow links we could be regarded as being complicite in that distribution and so could the members concerned. Unfortunately it doesn't matter what anyones views are, what they think of Honda policy, what you consider to be your "rights", or whether "everyone does it", it's still illegal, and there's no getting away from that.  :006:

Interestingly (or possibly disturbingly), Yamaha have clamped down ruthlessly on this. Before Christmas several Yamaha forums came foul of their legal actions and were closed in the process. Not just with regard to their motorcycle products but their music division as well. I've seen sight of some of communications from their legal team that were received by the forum owners and they were not messing about. And it wasn't just with regard to copyrighted service manuals it was also patented terms like the use of motorcycle names and products etc. Many forums closed because Yamaha didn't just say stop doing it, they said they wanted to take over the sites and licence them back to the owners. No one wanted Yamaha to effectively dictate how the forums would operate so they disappeared within days. Some re-emerged under different names but done in such a way as to be protected from interferrance. Do we want something similar here, nope !  :001:

Personally I'm not being judgemental and standing aloof, what people do themselves is entirely up to them, I've got no problem with that. However you can't bring the forum into that equation, so all we ask is that you protect yourselves and the forum by not posting such links.

In any case finding such material isn't rocket science, a simple Google search will no doubt give you what you want so it's no big deal.  :028:

 :821:
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: JohnE on February 25, 2015, 01:05:17 PM
I'm  confused. How are we supposed to know if an item is genuine or not? I now have one of the manuals previously listed here and it looks genuine to me. I couldn't find anything locally and Haynes told me they have no plans for one at the moment. Searching on the internet came up with the supplier I used.
Does this mean we shouldn't be recommending any products "just in case"?
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Admin on February 25, 2015, 01:23:40 PM
Well the main way of telling is where you purchased it from, officially it's Helm or Honda as far as I know. What makes it more difficult to tell is that Helm also have the rights to print and bind it themselves so it could vary from the original in appearance although content will be the same. Any other source will be a copy. Original content yes, but an unathorised copy none the less. The only problem with unauthorised copies is that it might not include erratum pages or updates from the initial edition.

I know thats naff and restrictive but it's Honda's call at the end of the day.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: X-Centric on February 25, 2015, 09:18:54 PM
I must admit that when I bought the service manual from the states I assumed it to be genuine. After all it did say Honda service manual, not copy of Honda service manual. Given how litigious the US is, I must say I would be surprised if someone could sell copyright material quite so openly there.

You will note from the links I posted earlier that several laptop companies openly distribute their service manuals, whilst Toshiba restricts theirs. This actually affected my buying decision when I bought a new laptop, so I went for an HP solely because their service manuals are provided by HP as a free download. A decision I have not regretted. I believe BMW do something similar for their bikes.

I do appreciate the position of the forum and it's legal position regarding copyright, you are however supporting a restrictive practice if no genuine service manual is available, and as a genuine Honda dealer that could be said to be a biased position, as it could be seen to be in your own interest. As I said it's not entirely clear cut IMHO.

Also as far as I am aware it is not an offence to posess material that is copyright infringed, only to sell or distribute it.

Now could someone please address the issue of the part no for genuine service manual in the UK, if available. Thanks

p.s Admin, your logo looks like a fairly close copy of the Firefox logo.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: ngling on February 26, 2015, 04:48:25 AM
I bought one of these manuals thinking it was original, but it is an obvious photocopy as you can see the ink marks that photocopiers leave on each page. Only thing that looks original is the front and back cover. No wonder the vendor was willing to cover the excess postage as I would imagine his profit margin is huge. Can't blame the OP as he was probably none the wiser too.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: jsonder on March 01, 2015, 08:15:35 PM
It was $49.95 plus $6 shipping (in USA) in January of last year.  I ordered the shop manual right after ordering the bike.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: badpauly on April 08, 2015, 07:04:03 AM
*Originally Posted by JohnE [+]
I'm  confused. How are we supposed to know if an item is genuine or not?

Do you feel dirty after buying it? Have you had to put of purchases after buying it? Then you got the "official" manual.

Did you get a manual for a sensible price? Did you NOT have to spend $200 on shipping? Then you bought the "copied" version.

After Helm wanted to charge me over $40 just to put the manual in a box, BEFORE shipping costs (that were also $150) I decided that Helm didn't need my money after-all, and purchased the "copy".

*edited for spelling/accuracy*
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: badpauly on April 08, 2015, 07:11:01 AM
Just to see if they have improved, I just went through the purchase for ordering the Helm version of the manual.

Order Summary
Subtotal:    $89.95
Handling:    $39.95
Shipping:    $149.35
Order Total:    $279.25

The "copy" I bought was $70 shipped to Australia... the $200 I saved bought me many tanks of fuel to go ride with.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: McVicar on May 15, 2015, 01:09:28 PM
Would someone in the UK please PM me with details of where they got their manual from. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Defender on May 15, 2015, 01:41:22 PM
Check your PMs. Don't know if what I've sent works or not. Worth a try though. Might be of interest to all if it does. Good luck
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: McVicar on May 15, 2015, 02:07:25 PM
Thanks for the quick reply. Not had much luck with that but could be my lack of computer skills. Will get the wife to try when she gets home. Thanks again. I'll go back to google.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: McVicar on May 15, 2015, 02:37:38 PM
Thank you very much for taking the trouble to do this. Much appreciated.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: McVicar on May 16, 2015, 08:30:55 AM
*Originally Posted by eeore39648 [+]
No PM.  :151:

What do you mean?
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Defender on May 16, 2015, 10:39:58 AM
Eeore
The PM feature is there for a reason, the word "Private" gives the clue, and a PM is nobody else's business. However, i can assure you, out of courtesy, that there is a very valid reason for a PM in this case, if you wish to be privy to that info, I can PM it to you. I am sure McVicar will not mind.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: McVicar on May 16, 2015, 12:01:46 PM
Don't mind at all. Only asked for a PM in this instance because the forum admin had asked earlier in the thread not to post this info on a public forum.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: firedude on May 16, 2015, 07:54:47 PM
Can I get a pm as well?
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Defender on May 16, 2015, 08:04:38 PM
If you spend a couple of minutes with a search engine, you will find what you seek. That goes for everyone.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: McVicar on May 27, 2015, 03:38:03 PM
Question for any UK members who ordered the manual from the USA,  from the supplier mentioned on page one of this thread. How long did it take for your manual to arrive?
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Defender on June 12, 2015, 07:56:40 PM
*Originally Posted by Defender [+]
If you spend a couple of minutes with a search engine, you will find what you seek. That goes for everyone.
I thought the above made it clear, perhaps not. For the record then, please do not ask me for any information regarding  the purchase or supply of service manuals. It has been pointed out that there are  copies for sale which may be in contravention of copyright law in the UK. I would be the last one to bring this forum into disrepute and would appreciate everyone's co-operation in this matter.
Any further queries will not elicit a response.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: motorboy on June 12, 2015, 08:34:04 PM
*Originally Posted by Defender [+]
I thought the above made it clear, perhaps not. For the record then, please do not ask me for any information regarding  the purchase or supply of service manuals. It has been pointed out that there are  copies for sale which may be in contravention of copyright law in the UK. I would be the last one to bring this forum into disrepute and would appreciate everyone's co-operation in this matter.
Any further queries will not elicit a response.
I guess I missed something  why would anyone ask you for a service manual?
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: eeore39648 on June 13, 2015, 01:21:09 PM
motorboy, a few replies back there was a misunderstanding. About the availability of a "Free" service manual.
There is not one for "Free"
I have searched to Buy a 500X service manual. All the suppliers seem bogus. Xerox'ed copies of the original. So, perhaps that's why members keep asking for the manual on this forum.
 :450:
Funny thing is, I have a Versys service manual and parts manual. Both in Pdf format.
I had none of these copyright concerns or worries. I got them from a very good Versys forum.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: badpauly on June 14, 2015, 04:16:36 AM
The issue with this "original" vs "copied" service manual is long and messy, and comes down to risk management.

If the details are published, they might be seen by the copyright-holder, they might decide to begin legal action, and it might cost money to defend. A lot of "might"s there, and in the real world, the risk is minor, BUT there is still a risk of it happening, and the moderators have chosen to remove that risk. It's their call.

Since the 500 is still quite new, and the manual is quite concise, you won't see the manual turned into a PDF anytime soon. I'd love to have a digital copy to go with my printed copy, but until someone decides to strip a copy and scan it, it's not going to happen. The only guy who has done it, is the one selling the copied manuals. And with the almost-ransom pricing for the "original" manuals being sold, not enough copies are out there for someone to decide to scan it.

In a nutshell, you have three options;
1. Spend the offensive amount asked for the official manual.
2. Buy the cheap "copy".
3. Go without.

And even if there was a PDF copy floating about, I'd expect any link to it to last less than a few hours here before being removed.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Defender on June 14, 2015, 10:24:19 AM
Eeore, It wasn't confusion over a free copy that is causing the requests, but the availability of a version of the manual which has turned out to be a copy of the original. This has been deemed to be an infringement of UK copyright law, and as such was barred from mention on this forum, by Admin. Quite a reasonable decision as it can be found elsewhere without risk to the forum and it's reputation. It is therefore up to the individual to decide what and where to buy. I hope that clarifies matters to all. As badpauly says, there are 3 choices.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: HerrDeacon on July 09, 2015, 11:32:23 AM
Don't want to stir up anything else but wondering if there is an official reputable source that sells a PDF version? I'd rather have a PDF version so I can put it on my phone in case I need it on the road, I do this for all my bikes. I then print off any pages that I need to perform a task in the garage as needed (i.e. valves, throttle sync, etc.).
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: badpauly on July 09, 2015, 01:10:52 PM
*Originally Posted by HerrDeacon [+]
Don't want to stir up anything else but wondering if there is an official reputable source that sells a PDF version? I'd rather have a PDF version so I can put it on my phone in case I need it on the road, I do this for all my bikes. I then print off any pages that I need to perform a task in the garage as needed (i.e. valves, throttle sync, etc.).

There isn't, and there won't be.

I'd love a PDF copy to go with my printed one, but the only way you will see a PDF is if you (or someone) makes it... and that's a lot of work.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Handypete on July 11, 2015, 01:50:32 PM
This thread needs to be deleted. Responsable adults don't need an Internet forum to help buy a legitimate copy of the manual.  :125:

_pete
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: McVicar on July 11, 2015, 04:27:46 PM
*Originally Posted by Handypete [+]
This thread needs to be deleted. Responsable adults don't need an Internet forum to help buy a legitimate copy of the manual.  :125:

_pete
Well I found it useful to find an illegitimate copy, which I would not have chanced but for the good feedback on here.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Handypete on July 11, 2015, 04:49:05 PM
*Originally Posted by McVicar [+]
Well I found it useful to find an illegitimate copy, which I would not have chanced but for the good feedback on here.

So what's your point? Should everyone just make copies of everything? Doesn't copyright have it's place anymore? I'm old school, and if I want something I pay for it (with the money I earn working)
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: McVicar on July 11, 2015, 04:53:14 PM
MY point is that I think people are entitled to make their own choices and don't ask for threads to be deleted because I don't agree with the content.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Defender on July 11, 2015, 08:22:41 PM
Pete, copyright does have it's place, as I suppose does charging extortionate prices. My tongue is firmly in my cheek here, but are you honestly saying you have never copied a CD or tape(for the oldies) or downloaded software, or other stuff off the internet. I'm old school as well and worked hard for what I have, and I dislike rip-offs.
No,I didn't buy an allegedly illegal copy off the internet. May I ask If you bought the official manual or are managing without. Don't feel you have to answer that, no pressure.
I hold no brief for unlawful activity, just being Devil's advocate on this.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Handypete on July 11, 2015, 08:55:56 PM
Defender, Glad you spoke up, I have high regards for your posts. Nope, I have never copied music in my life and same thing goes for software. I'm far from perfect and quite well see why young kids need to copy music and such, it's just easier for me to use iTunes and a bookstore.

I'd love to have the manual but, I don't have a garage and I don't think I'd use it that much. If the price was under a hundred bucks, it'd be in my library. This forum offers a whole lot too, and I thinks it's perfectly acceptable for someone like you to give advice and recommendations that could come from the manual. (like what color the wires are or the tolerances of something.)

My post about getting the thread deleted still stands, this forum does not need to be the source for that kind of thing, that's what "warez" sites do. Funny, the Admin makes some very good comments early in the thread that I happen to agree with 100%

Anyways, I'm not the forum cop and at the end of the day  :821: cheers!  thanks for your feedback and comments.

_pete
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: McVicar on July 11, 2015, 09:11:26 PM
Hey Pete, next time you ask a question on the forum don't forget to add that you don't want answers from anyone who is going to consult an illegal copy of the manual.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Defender on July 11, 2015, 09:20:31 PM
Pete, good to hear from you too, I wasn't disagreeing with your comments at all. Initially it wasn't apparent to me that some manuals where copies, perhaps I was being naive. When Admin took the perfectly rational stance taken I accepted it completely. The last thing I want is to bring the forum into disrepute and agree that people are able to find stuff themselves and make their own decisions.
The comment about CDs was referring to copies of those I have bought for my own use in the car. Even that was considered iffy until not long ago.
Thanks for your kind remarks, and stay safe my friend
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Cam on July 27, 2015, 05:27:52 AM
Well well well, you know, there's usually a catastrophic 'act of God' event or miracle that results in a God deciding to post (apart from Defender of course  :001: ). 

This one will likely fall into the former category.  Perhaps an 'Oh My God' moment would be more appropriate.  Being omniscient, I already know the content of the 16 pages that precede this post.

Coming to the end of warranty period on the X, I decided that now is as good a time as any to get a service manual, workshop manual or whatever you like to call it.  Performing simple maintenance tasks and saving a few dollars ($100/hour labour cost here) would be worth the $100 or so dollars ( ha ha I thought) for the manual.

From the Helm website, the current cost to purchase for an international order is,

Service Manual : $89.95
Handling : $39.95
Shipping : $181.27
Tax : $0.00

Total - $311 USD
That's roughly $426 Australian dollars  :005:

Shipping of $181.27 are you freaking for real?  Is it being sent via private jet with it's own flight attendant?  :013:

So I thought there must be some mistake, to err is human and all that, I'll ask the question of Helm.  Nope.  No mistake. That is the price and it is in US dollars.  They suggested if I have a friend or relative in the US I could get it shipped to them and they could send it to me.

So $89 manual + $39 handling is $130 US plus maybe $20 shipping, all up $150 USD.  That's actually reasonable for the size of the manual and I'd pay that.  But over $400 to Australia?  :192:

Next stop is to see what the local Honda Dealer charges to buy a service manual locally, if it's even possible.

After that, on my next trip to Japan I will pop by the head office and have a chat with the man  :124: :016:

Amen.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: badpauly on July 27, 2015, 09:11:13 AM
Welcome to the Helm "Australia Tax".

This is the exact reason why I have a "Not-from-Helm" manual sitting here for my reference, instead of the "From Helm" manual. They really need to sort their sh#t out, it is costing them a LOT in international sales.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Defender on July 27, 2015, 12:48:59 PM
O happy day, the mighty Cam is amongst us once more, and girding up his loins to do battle with "the man" over the ridiculous cost of obtaining a manual from the official supplier.
Good to have you back Cam, you have been missed. I wish you every success in your endeavour, but I fear the age of miracles is past. Should such a thing come to fruition, I will show my arse in Lewis's window( a quaint Liverpool expression indicating doubt in a positive outcome).
Hope life is good in the land of the rising sun, but that you'll be with us for a while.
   I have often pondered whether the prohibitive cost of a manual is so to discourage unqualified persons from fiddling with their machine and causing problems reflecting badly on the product, because we all know what wonderful, value for money service we get from main dealers in the care of our beloved bikes. Well, some of them anyway.
     Ramble over, I'll have a lie down in a dark room now.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: badpauly on July 27, 2015, 01:07:19 PM
The prohibitive cost is just supply and demand. There is only one company legally supplying it, and they will demand a first-born for that reason.

My issue (and Cam's, and others in our boat) is the almost ransom-like "added costs" to ship the manual to Australia and other countries. Hell, I'm getting my crash-bars shipped here from Italy, for 1/3 the cost that Helm wanted to ship their bloody book (in fact the bars, plus shipping, was less than Helm wanted to package and ship the manual).
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: HerrDeacon on July 27, 2015, 01:37:04 PM
That shipping price is ridiculous. On top of the already too high a price for the manual anyway (IMHO) and its just not right. I refuse to buy it from them at that price.

Let us know what price the dealer is selling them for.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Matt F. on July 27, 2015, 02:10:49 PM
I think this qualifies as "insult pricing" for those in Australia. Or, perhaps anyone outside of North America.

I know that we Americans (of the US variety) often think that we're somehow at the center of the world, but this situation strikes me as being utterly ridiculous. Honda is after all a Japanese company with a global market. One would think they'd be interested in a more equitable distribution of information.

Is the Helm licensing deal global?
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Cam on July 28, 2015, 02:09:00 AM
Yes I absolutely could not agree more with most all of your comments.  Honda is indeed a global company and something as basic as a service manual should be available at a comparable price in each country.  I shall make calls with earthly telephone device  :232:

Failing success, divine retribution may be required!  :122: :130:
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: CB-500-X on July 28, 2015, 03:13:10 AM
I just ordered one thru my local dealer in Florida . $105.00 including tax. not here yet, been 10 days so far. I figured a few weeks at least because the publications don't come thru the same channel as parts .
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Cam on July 28, 2015, 05:02:18 AM
No luck at the dealer so have called "The Man" direct  :124:

Pending a reply  :164:
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: CB-500-X on August 01, 2015, 02:26:44 AM
*Originally Posted by scomeau1 [+]
:002: Is there a service manual from Honda that I can but for the CB500X ?
You can buy one from your Honda dealer for about $100.00 US. Part # 61MGZ02 .
It's a 2013 version that comes wrapped in plastic with a sticker that says 2013-2014 that they expect you to stick on to manual cover . Mine came in a plastic wrap with a 2013-2014 sticker to be applied and yet again wrapped in a plastic wrap with a 2013-2015 sticker . How cheesy is that Honda ?
It's 11" X 9" X 1.25" and about 4 lbs. If you can figure out the cheapest way to ship to Australia I might be able to help here in the US .  :821:
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: CB-500-X on August 01, 2015, 02:31:24 AM
after sticker
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: TigerDude on August 01, 2015, 04:44:02 AM
That is a premium sticker, man.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: CB-500-X on August 01, 2015, 05:53:18 AM
After looking at it , I can say it's a proper manual. Worth the money for sure... :169:
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Bradmeister on October 26, 2015, 03:49:48 AM
Forum Brothers and Sisters,

This is absolutely retarded.  I'm sympathetic to those of you that have had to waste your time with "Ordering' hardcopies from various places on the planet and Paying dearly for them............

I mean, really people, this is The Year of Our Lord 2015 and we have to buy a hard copy form Joe Shmoe somewhere overseas?   

Motorcycle manuals came out on CD's over 20 years ago.......... Downloadable PDF's from Manufacturers and Licensed 3rd Parties 10 years ago....................

............... But were suppose to buy into the "Legal" Extortion of whosever high court deemed it legal and illegal?  It's disgusting that a $6000 dollar bargain base beginner bike has to have a Paper Service Manual Ordered from a Honda Dealer Only.

I'm just ranting  :230: here, but going backwards in time instead of forward always gets my goat.     It's not just the CBX or many of the Honda Models, but most of them.  Honda loves Honda.  Instead of just making it available, they market us by making us corral like, like a stock of cows, oblivious to the rest of the worlds technology advances and the Internet. 

Yeah, I've heard the pros and cons of copyright infringement: My position is I own a product do I not?  Therefore, I must buy Honda Proprietary parts: but take the time to pick up a phone, wait on hold, talk to several people, have the service manuals' part number looked up, ordered, wait for delivery, go retrieve it myself so I can have a hard copy laying around somewhere........... It's Ridiculous. 

It's also obviously political, I can download manuals of Honda's MSX125 (also known as a grom), all day long, free and licensed but we cant get a PDF. for a CB500X? WTF.

Ok, I'm done. 

In closing, if a version, Legal, bootlegged, pirated, or whatever........It's going on every forum for the Honda Owners, not the Honda Shareholders Pockets!

Cheers
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Handypete on October 30, 2015, 12:59:35 AM
 :821: What more can anyone say?   I'm one of those who opposed all "illegal" sources of the manual and I posted a few thought along those lines...

After reading your "rant", dude!  I'm going to give the whole thing a second thought
Thanks for posting, it's quality "food for thought" and I'm going to give it just that...

__pete
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Bradmeister on November 02, 2015, 02:19:04 AM
HandyPete,

Thanks for listening....but in all honesty, a quality forum has members that are "Johnny on the Spot" to help out with service manuals and pages from service manuals for fellow brothers and sisters that have the same or similar machines....

Were in the age of information.......That's what many of us are here for....information.  I'm on the other side of the Planet, looking from the outside in: Sensibility and Common sense rule over ethical and legal everyday decisions, here in The Kingdom.

Spiting on the street here gets you flogged, Speeding is not enforced.  180 degrees out from what's legal there and illegal somewhere else.

Stay warm, and help on our CB500X's are just around the corner!

Cheers

I'll be the first to guide, assist, share or give my 2 cents worth on every forum I'm a member of.....
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: ghartm on November 17, 2015, 03:40:05 PM
I wouldn't mind buying a legal copy of the 500x service manual if the cost was reasonable, but it isn't 80 to 90 dollars is too much. Shortly after I bought a 2014 X in August of this year I googled for a service manual and bought one that turned out to be a copy of an original. It was what I considered a fair price and well done for a copy. I didn't know it was an illegal copy when I bought it but I'm glad I got it. Maybe if they were priced reasonably there wouldn't be a market for copied one's.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Bradmeister on November 18, 2015, 12:48:02 AM
Ghartm,

You hit the nail on the head my friend!  The price and the availability!  That's how the world goes round.... Supply and Demand is a factor of time as well, but that type of money for a hard copy?  Really,
It is their own making for a market to copy the manual.

No one in this modern age, should have to send away, order, wait, and hopefully receive a printed manual from any motorcycle manufacturer anymore......   

For the love of Pete, I was able to download a PDF. from Ford Motor company when I Modified from a no Trailer F-150 Truck to a Truck with a receiver to a Class 4 Frame, Hitch and Wiring harness from Ford....

 All Parts and Service were clearly defined and all warnings and cautions were clearly presented from Ford in an easy, printable, 14 page Download.  Yeah, I did buy the parts from Ford, yeah, I'm putting it on a Ford, Yeah, they were genuine Ford Parts............ Wonder what Marquis I'm buying for my next truck? What's the number 1 selling truck in the world?

No brainer.   

That's why I have to stop and think whenever I buy a Honda Product.......How will they extort money from me later on??? Oh, Yeah that's right: They only have the CB500X manual in printed hard copy and charge from 80 to 125USD in various regions of the world........I new there was a catch somewhere!

Cheers :305:



 
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: hilldweller on December 09, 2015, 01:59:08 PM
I'll put my hand up to ending up with a very nice copy manual from the USA.

I don't copy music/films/software because I know someone has to earn their living from them, I even donate to Irfanview, Wikipedia because they serve me well, but this service manual, that's different. No-one is depending on the coppers profit from the manual for their livelihood, Honda makes enough to spend billions on racing and advertising so they won't suffer. I guess the local dealer might lose from loss of a sale, but he'll lose a lot more as I refuse to pay his silly service costs and do it myself.

Normally I buy Haynes manuals, not brilliant but adequate for my needs and more important not too expensive.
Title: Re: Service Manual
Post by: Admin on January 04, 2016, 02:07:34 AM
Please note that it is not permissible to post links or distribute copies of the Service Manual via this forum. I mention this again today as a member has been openly offering to distribute the Service Manual via the forum.

This was clearly mentioned earlier in this topic:

https://www.cb500x.com/index.php/topic,763.msg19730.html#msg19730 (https://www.cb500x.com/index.php/topic,763.msg19730.html#msg19730)

and

https://www.cb500x.com/index.php/topic,763.msg19853.html#msg19853 (https://www.cb500x.com/index.php/topic,763.msg19853.html#msg19853)

Our forum policy on this is clear:

...You also agree not to post, link to, or promote the unauthorised use of any copyrighted material unless you own the copyright or you have written consent from the owner of the copyrighted material...

Please note that any member ignoring this policy will have their account terminated.