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Title: Ramblings of a Curmudgeon Part II
Post by: Winchester on November 17, 2018, 08:39:51 PM
I’ve decided I don’t want my 500x anymore. It just needs a bigger engine like a 650 or 750. That would do it. Seriously, I know it would. I keep looking at it, accessorized and all, and thinking about my trip next year, one I am greatly looking forward to. The more I think about this trip, the longer the it gets, as in, that’s a good thing. And why I need more comfort, and why a bigger bike would be perfect.

So, here I am, standing in the middle of the Honda dealership, surrounded by chrome and dreams of adventures in far away places like Cleveland. No, seriously, I’m actually standing here looking at my dream bike. A 2018 Honda Gold Wing standard. Candy apple red, this thing already has me at the Credit Union computing payments. This bike has EVERYTHING compared to my X. Comfort and safety oozing out of every gleaming part, wait til you see what’s included!!! Windshield? Check. With electronic adjustability.  :005: Hard luggage? I have to squint to see thru the glare. Check. Blue tooth connectivity built in? Check. Heated grips? Check. Check. Check. Check………… Wad’you say that interest rate was for how many months? I’ll have to skip a few things like meals on my trip…but hey……  :080:

As I gather my gear to leave, feeling a bit down, I keep looking at this glistening, sun soaked red machine parked seductively in front of the dealership….. calling my name. Unfulfilled, heart pumping LUST I tell you. I can see it in my garage now.

AND THEN    Zippered and snapped in, helmet adjusted, I triple check everything and put my X in first. All is clear so clutch out, I’m rolling across the wide parking area. Flooded with a deep and reassuring sense of trust and familiarity, I’m home. Where I belong. Instantly gone is every thought about replacing my faithful, trustworthy companion, the wonder bike that does EVERYTHING I ask, loaded down, taking me willingly and capably through storm and dark of night, 24/7 without a single complaint. Places that other bikes fear to tread. And those that do tread, wishing they were as light and sure footed as the X.

Yes, I know, it’s just a machine. Blessed, I have a wife and a life. And, the reality is, my X is a bit of a mule. Mules ain’t pretty and won’t win the quarter mile. But a mule has qualities and enviable performance advantages that others don’t and there’s a truth the others won’t admit. It’s a keeper, despite my temporary, stubborn temptations which, I think, I’m entitled to because I KNOW I am not alone in my wicked ways. Am I!!!!!   :186:

Until next time.

Cheers.









Title: Re: Ramblings of a Curmudgeon Part II
Post by: nbsdave on November 17, 2018, 09:29:41 PM
I do the same, Gold Wing, R1200, Africa Twin
but I always come back to my "mule"

Title: Re: Ramblings of a Curmudgeon Part II
Post by: ewryly on November 17, 2018, 10:43:49 PM
I have to admit that I do not find the Goldwing at all tempting.  Of course, my X and I are still in our honeymoon period :101: so no other bikes interest me. 
Title: Re: Ramblings of a Curmudgeon Part II
Post by: 303 on November 18, 2018, 06:09:41 AM
*Originally Posted by nbsdave [+]
I do the same, Gold Wing, R1200, Africa Twin
but I always come back to my "mule"

Whats that joke? Naturally Asspirated
Title: Re: Ramblings of a Curmudgeon Part II
Post by: nbsdave on November 18, 2018, 08:56:01 AM
*Originally Posted by 303 [+]
Whats that joke? Naturally Asspirated

and it has a dual exhaust
Title: Re: Ramblings of a Curmudgeon Part II
Post by: AJC500 on November 18, 2018, 08:58:17 AM
It's the retro world which tempts me - Honda CB1100, Royal Enfield 650 Interceptor, Kawasaki Z900RS (in candytone orange and brown, of course) - but I know I won't be changing...….anytime soon!   :007:
Title: Re: Ramblings of a Curmudgeon Part II
Post by: uku383 on November 18, 2018, 09:33:42 AM
I've just picked up a second bike to try something different and have a bit of fun on weekends (I must admit that I haven't ridden my X for the past week, and will be dividing my commute between the two for a while until the novelty has faded a bit).

Even though this is a great experience, I won't be getting rid of my X - it really is a keeper for me. Besides, even though I know that it's been looked after (although only God knows how the previous owner treated it over the first 5,000km), I wouldn't get much if I sold it.

I try not to be a fanboy about the X, but it is true that it does absolutely everything that I need, plus I have a lot of fun flinging it through the twisties (I just can't seem to bring myself to call it a mule... I know what you mean, but I'm kinda attached to my bike and don't want to hurt its feelings).

Mind you, I saw a lovely Thruxton R in green at a dealer's yesterday when helping my friend look for her first bike... then I saw the price tag....
Title: Re: Ramblings of a Curmudgeon Part II
Post by: AJC500 on November 18, 2018, 09:36:52 AM
*Originally Posted by AJC500 [+]
It's the retro world which tempts me - Honda CB1100, Royal Enfield 650 Interceptor, Kawasaki Z900RS (in candytone orange and brown, of course) - but I know I won't be changing...….anytime soon!   :007:

Speaking of retro - Jawa (now owned by Indian company Mahindra) are back!!
https://www.morebikes.co.uk/54396/video-jawa-is-back-heres-a-look-at-its-2019-line-up/
Title: Re: Ramblings of a Curmudgeon Part II
Post by: AJC500 on November 18, 2018, 09:40:46 AM
*Originally Posted by uku383 [+]
Mind you, I saw a lovely Thruxton R in green at a dealer's yesterday when helping my friend look for her first bike... then I saw the price tag....

Stop it!!!!!!!  :022:
Title: Re: Ramblings of a Curmudgeon Part II
Post by: uku383 on November 18, 2018, 09:49:05 AM
*Originally Posted by AJC500 [+]
Stop it!!!!!!!  :022:

LOL - so many nice toys out there!  :008: :821:
Title: Re: Ramblings of a Curmudgeon Part II
Post by: ThirtyOne on November 18, 2018, 02:28:52 PM
@Winchester - One of my favorite quotes is "variety is the spice of life."

It sounds like that desire for moar powah is going to get you soon or later.  :008:

Title: Re: Ramblings of a Curmudgeon Part II
Post by: Winchester on November 18, 2018, 03:02:20 PM
*Originally Posted by ThirtyOne [+]
@Winchester - One of my favorite quotes is "variety is the spice of life."

It sounds like that desire for moar powah is going to get you soon or later.  :008:

Hey..........yur supposed to be helpin'!  :192:

IF - I say IF - I get another bike it it will be added to the X - not replacing it. Thankfully, I've already been down the road of multiple, exciting ownerships. To be exact, too many. A long and enjoyable experience. The hard earned lesson - for me - each bike was truly GREAT at what it did best - but not so much on everything else. So - while the X is definitely a compromise - it spans the chasm across so many needs for so many riders, including me. A do all machine? Nope. That bike doesn't exist. There are some bikes that offer the least number of compromises - but that list of compromises can only be written by each rider. When compared, the lists will differ.

Trust me, I could make that 2018 candy apple red Wing work. But I CAN'T make it do what my X does. Just like the reverse is true. So I'm back to the 2 bike solution - restricted by that annoying funds available thing.

With one eye on the Wing and the other on my X, I too am not an X fan boy. That said, the joy in riding and using my X quickly discards its niggling faults. I could be very happy replacing my X and riding a new GS, Bonneville or Africa Twin - for awhile. Right up until the weight, COG, range etc began to annoy me.

And round it goes. Have a good day 31. I'm off to ride.  :152:

Cheers. 
Title: Re: Ramblings of a Curmudgeon Part II
Post by: Jonathan on November 19, 2018, 11:19:56 PM
*Originally Posted by Winchester [+]
Hey..........yur supposed to be helpin'!  :192:

IF - I say IF - I get another bike it it will be added to the X - not replacing it. Thankfully, I've already been down the road of multiple, exciting ownerships. To be exact, too many. A long and enjoyable experience. The hard earned lesson - for me - each bike was truly GREAT at what it did best - but not so much on everything else. So - while the X is definitely a compromise - it spans the chasm across so many needs for so many riders, including me. A do all machine? Nope. That bike doesn't exist. There are some bikes that offer the least number of compromises - but that list of compromises can only be written by each rider. When compared, the lists will differ.

Trust me, I could make that 2018 candy apple red Wing work. But I CAN'T make it do what my X does. Just like the reverse is true. So I'm back to the 2 bike solution - restricted by that annoying funds available thing.

With one eye on the Wing and the other on my X, I too am not an X fan boy. That said, the joy in riding and using my X quickly discards its niggling faults. I could be very happy replacing my X and riding a new GS, Bonneville or Africa Twin - for awhile. Right up until the weight, COG, range etc began to annoy me.

And round it goes. Have a good day 31. I'm off to ride.  :152:

Cheers.

I've found over the years, having owned several different bikes, they all get modified, farkled and otherwise tinkered with and eventually end up morphing into virtually the same thing...I bought a dedicated road bike (bicycle), put flat bars on it, wider rims and tyres, changed the gearing, put mudguards (fenders) and a rack on....before that I had a mountain bike: fitted riser bars, skinnier wheels and tyres, changed the rear cassette for closer ratios...basically, I ended up with what we in the UK call a 'gravel bike'.....

The X is the motorcycling equivalent of a 'gravel bike' :015:

Can't imagine a wing running TKC's though!   
Title: Re: Ramblings of a Curmudgeon Part II
Post by: ThirtyOne on November 19, 2018, 11:49:53 PM
*Originally Posted by Jonathan [+]
I've found over the years, having owned several different bikes, they all get modified, farkled and otherwise tinkered with and eventually end up morphing into virtually the same thing...I bought a dedicated road bike (bicycle), put flat bars on it, wider rims and tyres, changed the gearing, put mudguards (fenders) and a rack on....before that I had a mountain bike: fitted riser bars, skinnier wheels and tyres, changed the rear cassette for closer ratios...basically, I ended up with what we in the UK call a 'gravel bike'.....

The X is the motorcycling equivalent of a 'gravel bike' :015:

Can't imagine a wing running TKC's though!

Just did a quick search for the fun of it. It has been done, of course.

(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=ssl:barnfinds.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/goldwing-front-e1519414898940-630x382.jpg)

Title: Re: Ramblings of a Curmudgeon Part II
Post by: Winchester on November 20, 2018, 01:53:28 AM
*Originally Posted by Jonathan [+]
I've found over the years, having owned several different bikes, they all get modified, farkled and otherwise tinkered with and eventually end up morphing into virtually the same thing...I bought a dedicated road bike (bicycle), put flat bars on it, wider rims and tyres, changed the gearing, put mudguards (fenders) and a rack on....before that I had a mountain bike: fitted riser bars, skinnier wheels and tyres, changed the rear cassette for closer ratios...basically, I ended up with what we in the UK call a 'gravel bike'.....

The X is the motorcycling equivalent of a 'gravel bike' :015:

Can't imagine a wing running TKC's though!

How much will it cost to put a DL650 engine in my X? What a great engine and bike the Wee was but get just a bit technical with it off road and the COG will rear up and bite you. I'm no wimp and I speak from experience. Just got too tired of that happening - hence my X.  :017:
Title: Re: Ramblings of a Curmudgeon Part II
Post by: ThirtyOne on November 20, 2018, 02:44:01 AM
*Originally Posted by Winchester [+]
How much will it cost to put a DL650 engine in my X? What a great engine and bike the Wee was but get just a bit technical with it off road and the COG will rear up and bite you. I'm no wimp and I speak from experience. Just got too tired of that happening - hence my X.  :017:

I had a DL650 and while it smoothed out around 4,500+rpm, I found it pretty lumpy down low. I prefer the parallel twin even though it's got much less wallop.
Title: Re: Ramblings of a Curmudgeon Part II
Post by: Jonathan on November 20, 2018, 08:31:32 PM
*Originally Posted by ThirtyOne [+]
Just did a quick search for the fun of it. It has been done, of course.

(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=ssl:barnfinds.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/goldwing-front-e1519414898940-630x382.jpg)

it just needs some stickers and it's all ready for the Dakar.... :033:
Title: Re: Ramblings of a Curmudgeon Part II
Post by: Jonathan on November 20, 2018, 08:33:05 PM
*Originally Posted by Winchester [+]
How much will it cost to put a DL650 engine in my X? What a great engine and bike the Wee was but get just a bit technical with it off road and the COG will rear up and bite you. I'm no wimp and I speak from experience. Just got too tired of that happening - hence my X.  :017:

I hear you....the X is under powered IMO....15 more horses and a glob of mid range....it's not much to ask for
Title: Re: Ramblings of a Curmudgeon Part II
Post by: Oyabun on November 20, 2018, 08:45:51 PM
*Originally Posted by ThirtyOne [+]
It sounds like that desire for moar powah is going to get you soon or later.  :008:
Powah of the dark side is strong ;-)
Title: Re: Ramblings of a Curmudgeon Part II
Post by: Oyabun on November 20, 2018, 08:48:51 PM
*Originally Posted by Jonathan [+]
I hear you....the X is under powered IMO....15 more horses and a glob of mid range....it's not much to ask for
Lol. You better think twice before you ask for it. I got that brewing ;-)
Title: Re: Ramblings of a Curmudgeon Part II
Post by: Winchester on November 20, 2018, 09:53:11 PM
*Originally Posted by Oyabun [+]
Powah of the dark side is strong ;-)
I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X.  :148:
Title: Re: Ramblings of a Curmudgeon Part II
Post by: ThirtyOne on November 20, 2018, 10:37:19 PM
*Originally Posted by Winchester [+]
I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X. I will not trade my X.  :148:

If you have to say it out loud... :119:
Title: Re: Ramblings of a Curmudgeon Part II
Post by: Winchester on November 20, 2018, 10:44:07 PM
*Originally Posted by ThirtyOne [+]
If you have to say it out loud... :119:

Just so you clearly understand - if I ever do trade my X, it's all YOUR fault.  :017:
Title: Re: Ramblings of a Curmudgeon Part II
Post by: Jonathan on November 21, 2018, 08:46:44 PM
*Originally Posted by Oyabun [+]
Lol. You better think twice before you ask for it. I got that brewing ;-)

but at what cost?....we want cheap horsepower that we can bolt on in an afternoon :440:
Title: Re: Ramblings of a Curmudgeon Part II
Post by: Oyabun on November 22, 2018, 10:38:52 AM
Without getting much more offtopic here - I love my 500 to bits. I've found that there is no real competition for the X for my use (relatively light weight cheap bike, twin cylinder bike what is easy to maintain, cheap to run, and has high reliability for  mixed on and off tarmac adventuring) - but as many others I felt the itch for a tad more power - and unlike others I went down that rabbit hole. On the way I've found what works and what not. All other larger displacement bikes are heavier - some by a significant amount. The most waited for me was the Tenere 700, but realistically it will be about 10-15kg heavier and much more expensive than the 500 also parts for it would be an issue in most part of the world. The AT is nice, but even heavier. I have been vaccinated against BMW and the new ones are just plain ugly too - also very expensive to run and break often. KTMs are nice tools, but again not my piece of cake cost and reliability-wise.
As they say there is no replacement for displacement. If you want to get really big amounts of power, I'm afraid you got to upgrade.
While there is no real cheap way to gain a huge amount of power from this relatively small mill (no a bolt on silencer, air filter and an easy to plug box will not bring more than 1-2hp if any), I believe I've found a cost effective way of getting a significant boost of performance. I'm not saying it is the ultimate solution, nor it is the cheapest way to get some power out of the engine, but I think it is good for what it is.
Most of the 471cc CB500 engines are dynoed about 41-43hp stock at the rear wheel. My upgrades expected to net somewhere in the range of 56-60 at the rear depending on your selected components - with a very healthy increase in midrange power.
If someone can do a valve adjustment on the engine, the same person can do the upgrade too. Probably not a job for an afternoon, but I could do it in about 5 hours tops - might be a full day job for someone less prepared. Definitely less time than installing a full rally raid kit.
It is designed to keep the factory reliability with normal use - apparently if someone bounces on the rev limiter constantly it would shorten the usable life of an engine regardless if it is stock or not.
Total cost should be less than 1500GBP.
I've wrote about the details in other topics and also happy to answer questions.