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Title: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 05, 2019, 05:40:00 PM
Afternoon all,

I'm after some suggestions and advice. My commute is possibly going to change due to a new job in the offing. My 30 mile round trip (short bit of motorway then A roads) is going to become 100 miles round trip of motorway.

I despise my CBX on the motorway at the best of times, so I draw the line at this. I need to change it (and please don't try and convince me otherwise - it's personal preference) and I want to see what people would suggest.

I've test ridden the Crossrunner and Tiger 800 in the past (as well as the V-Strom 1000, Versys 1000 and, Z900RS, Tracer 700 and 900 (and GT)).

Don't really like the latter ones in that list...the Tracer 900 was alright but it's too expensive to insure for me with 18 months experience (I'm 33, 1 years NCB) and the Crossrunner kinda has a similar problem (it's only still in the list because it was so nice).

Other bikes on my mind are the F800GT, and someone else threw in the Deauville NT700 as it would do what I want, although there's no excitement. As you can probably tell, I'm after someone a bit more upright and with decent wind protection.

In terms of budget, the max I've got is 8.5k, but of course I'd like to spend less if at all possible.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: Lattugo on January 05, 2019, 06:00:28 PM
How about a Honda NC750X?

It is in your budget I think, inexpensive to ride (I don't know about insurance in the UK, though), and you should be able to ride the highways in a more relaxed way.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: AJC500 on January 05, 2019, 06:05:07 PM
I can understand you wanting a bit more go for a long motorway journey, and it wouldn't take too much - my Suzuki SV650S and Hyosung GT650 (a Suzuki copy) were fantastic on motorways, easily fast enough to 'accidentally' hit 100mph without even trying, but still relatively light and economical. So anything 650cc and up should fit the bill.

The Tracers would be the obvious suggestion, but they are out for you, so let me have a look through my old magazines and see if anything crops up.

I'll be back!!  :035:
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: Jonathan on January 05, 2019, 06:07:09 PM
with that sort of budget you've got a wide range to choose from. Personally, if I was just looking for a comfy commuter with good build quality, decent protection and good mpg I'd go with a used V strom 650, Deauville or Transalp 700...won't set your heart racing but all will do sterling work, day in day out. A looked after Africa Twin (RD04, RD 07) wouldn't be a bad option either...nice one linked below
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: Jonathan on January 05, 2019, 06:10:16 PM
https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1042601...if only I was tall enough
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 05, 2019, 06:11:01 PM
I actually had an SV650S as a courtesy bike the other day, I can see what you mean... properly uncomfortable for me, can't imagine how you'd commute on one, but I think that of anyone on a sports bike.

That Translap suggestion could be worth a shout!
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: BabisStinson on January 05, 2019, 06:39:30 PM
*Originally Posted by mother-goose [+]
Afternoon all,

I'm after some suggestions and advice. My commute is possibly going to change due to a new job in the offing. My 30 mile round trip (short bit of motorway then A roads) is going to become 100 miles round trip of motorway.

I despise my CBX on the motorway at the best of times, so I draw the line at this. I need to change it (and please don't try and convince me otherwise - it's personal preference) and I want to see what people would suggest.rotection.


Hi mother-goose, may I ask why you despise it on the high way? I am thinking of getting a new CB500X 2019 model and I would be interested to know why, since I am gonna mainly use it in town on national road with speeds ~120-130km/h and on B-Roads.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: AJC500 on January 05, 2019, 07:18:21 PM
I changed from the SV to the Hyosung because the Hyo was more upright, but I should have thought - - - -

The Suzuki V-Strom 650 has the same great V-twin engine, and of course there is the 1000 version
And that leads me to the Kawasaki Versys 650 which I rode in New Zealand and I loved it, and again there is the 1000 version. 
The WK650MT is a British labelled Chinese adventure bike with a copy of the Kawasaki twin engine, and could be so cheap you could have that to commute during the week, and the X to play with at the weekend!  Maybe a lot of miles for a Chinese bike though.....
I rode a BMW800GS at a test day and liked it, that could gobble up the miles.
Magazine favourite adventure/tourers are the Ducati MultiStrada and the KTM 1090, expensive though.
Honda NC750 would be worth a thought - again very economical, and storage in the tank space would be handy when commuting.
Suzuki GSX-S1000F - fairing and sensible bars
Kawasaki Ninja 650 - another fairing and sensible straight bars

Hope that starts off a few thoughts.....I'd have a 650 Versys myself, but I'm not very imaginative!!  :156:

One daft after-thought, have you considered a big 650 scooter - great weather protection, automatic and bags of storage - Suzuki and Yamaha would be the main choice...  :034:
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 05, 2019, 07:25:37 PM
*Originally Posted by BabisStinson [+]
Hi mother-goose, may I ask why you despise it on the high way? I am thinking of getting a new CB500X 2019 model and I would be interested to know why, since I am gonna mainly use it in town on national road with speeds ~120-130km/h and on B-Roads.
Thanks!

It's all personal preference but the 13-15 model has a well documented issue with wind turbulence, and at 6'2" I suffer from it badly (even with the Madstad screen). It also revs a bit too high at 70-75mph. Have addressed that with a recent sprocket change.

I think we're all hoping the 2019 addresses this, defo make sure you do some fast riding in your test ride.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: JMo on January 05, 2019, 08:33:24 PM
I'd echo what Lattugo suggested - if you're looking for a commuter tool, you could do worse than an NC750X - especially with the DCT... effortless cruising, minimal maintenance and very economic and stone-cold reliable. They are also often looked over in the showrooms (although admittedly the DCT is on certain people's radar), so you can probably find one at a good price, especially at this time of year?

Plenty of hard-luggage options for that bike too if you need to carry work stuff - although if you're commuting in the UK, I'm sure I don't need to tell you a top box is probably preferable to panniers so you can slip through any slow/stationary traffic.

Jx

ps. AS AJC500 noted - the NC has another bonus in that you can stash your helmet in the frunk too.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: Irishrover on January 05, 2019, 08:46:42 PM
I would have a look at the BMW F800GT or ST, belt drive and economical from what I've read. But I wouldn't pay 8.5K for one, you could pick up a descent used private buy for 4000.
Honda VFR800 is a great motorway bike and reliable.
The Deauville is well "Dull", but shaft driven.
The Honda NC750X is worth a look for a tall bloke like yourself and I would be looking at DCT.
We could throw suggestions at you until the cows come home, but the decision is yours and whatever you decide it will never be perfect, doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: Jonathan on January 05, 2019, 09:07:36 PM
*Originally Posted by BabisStinson [+]
Hi mother-goose, may I ask why you despise it on the high way? I am thinking of getting a new CB500X 2019 model and I would be interested to know why, since I am gonna mainly use it in town on national road with speeds ~120-130km/h and on B-Roads.
Thanks!

I'll add my tuppence as well....the X is a relatively small, relatively low powered bike. For urban commuting, A and B roads it's excellent...great mpg, comfortable, fun to ride, enough poke for most circumstances and handles well, wet or dry. For sustained highway riding it's hard work. No reason why you can't do the occasional long stretch on it, but it wouldn't be my bike of choice if I was planning to do big motorway miles on a regular basis. A bigger, heavier, more powerful bike is much less tiring at constant highway speeds...horses for courses
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 05, 2019, 09:10:07 PM
*Originally Posted by AJC500 [+]
I changed from the SV to the Hyosung because the Hyo was more upright, but I should have thought - - - -

The Suzuki V-Strom 650 has the same great V-twin engine, and of course there is the 1000 version
And that leads me to the Kawasaki Versys 650 which I rode in New Zealand and I loved it, and again there is the 1000 version. 
The WK650MT is a British labelled Chinese adventure bike with a copy of the Kawasaki twin engine, and could be so cheap you could have that to commute during the week, and the X to play with at the weekend!  Maybe a lot of miles for a Chinese bike though.....
I rode a BMW800GS at a test day and liked it, that could gobble up the miles.
Magazine favourite adventure/tourers are the Ducati MultiStrada and the KTM 1090, expensive though.
Honda NC750 would be worth a thought - again very economical, and storage in the tank space would be handy when commuting.
Suzuki GSX-S1000F - fairing and sensible bars
Kawasaki Ninja 650 - another fairing and sensible straight bars

Hope that starts off a few thoughts.....I'd have a 650 Versys myself, but I'm not very imaginative!!  :156:

One daft after-thought, have you considered a big 650 scooter - great weather protection, automatic and bags of storage - Suzuki and Yamaha would be the main choice...  :034:


Some cracking advice there dude, thanks.

I should really try the V-STROM 650 I reckon, and give the 1000 another go too. I seem to remember that the wind protection wasn't great...but I have an issue because I'm comparing it to the Crossrunner...which was brilliant. But expensive to maintain and insure. I really should be ruling it out.

I did like the Versys 1000 - but again the wind turbulence wasn't great, even with a taller screen on it. Worth a look again perhaps, especially at the 650 too. Trying to find one for a test ride in any sort of local vicinity is causing a problem there.

The mechanics that I got my bike worked on yesterday suggested to avoid the old multistradas, but the new ones are brilliant. It's just the price issue again for me there - and let's be honest, if I could afford to insure that, I'd probably go with whatever R1200RT I could afford.

I almost forgot the about the F800GS, must make sure I look at that and the GT when I do.

The NC750X is the one I'm not surprised has been thrown in to the mix. Everything I've read says they are good, but dull? More importantly though (considering the Deauville is a possibility, I clearly will accept full in to the "maybe" list) is that the wind protection is reportedly not much better than the CB500X?

And if I like none of them? Might as well contemplate a scoot!
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 05, 2019, 09:21:20 PM
*Originally Posted by Irishrover [+]
I would have a look at the BMW F800GT or ST, belt drive and economical from what I've read. But I wouldn't pay 8.5K for one, you could pick up a descent used private buy for 4000.
Honda VFR800 is a great motorway bike and reliable.
The Deauville is well "Dull", but shaft driven.
The Honda NC750X is worth a look for a tall bloke like yourself and I would be looking at DCT.
We could throw suggestions at you until the cows come home, but the decision is yours and whatever you decide it will never be perfect, doesn't exist.

Yeah you're bang on the money with the GT and ST. Some well kitted ones near me with low miles for the 6k mark, I'd happily spend that on one if it was newer and had the right options for me.

The Crossrunner is definitely top end of the budget that's for sure.

I do think I've got to give this NC750 a go, can't rule it out if it could be the perfect thing and it'd be churlish to ignore it. They make that bike for a reason afterall.

And whilst I agree there's no perfect bike...if I could afford a GSA I reckon I'd be sorted 😉
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: Irishrover on January 05, 2019, 09:48:46 PM
*Originally Posted by mother-goose [+]
Yeah you're bang on the money with the GT and ST. Some well kitted ones near me with low miles for the 6k mark, I'd happily spend that on one if it was newer and had the right options for me.

The Crossrunner is definitely top end of the budget that's for sure.

I do think I've got to give this NC750 a go, can't rule it out if it could be the perfect thing and it'd be churlish to ignore it. They make that bike for a reason afterall.

And whilst I agree there's no perfect bike...if I could afford a GSA I reckon I'd be sorted 😉

You can't go wrong with a scoot either mate. Just bought a Vespa GTS300 a few weeks ago and its rapid. Will do 70mph all day without thinking about it on the motorway, but I wouldn't recommend it for winter use.
Your annual mileage now assuming that you will be working 5 days per week will be around 24000 per year. Consider 2 bikes maybe. A winter hack and a summer bike.
I've ridden quite a few scoots and the Yamaha XMax 400 is also a mile muncher.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 05, 2019, 09:55:34 PM
*Originally Posted by Irishrover [+]
Your annual mileage now assuming that you will be working 5 days per week will be around 24000 per year. Consider 2 bikes maybe.

My wife is pretty understanding, but it won't stretch that far 😉

The mileage is the issue with regards to the VFR for me, I could need a valve clearance check twice a year, which is a days labour apparently.

On paper, without having ridden it yes, the F800GT looks like a good bet. I need to see how that adds up, try a GS variant too, and definitely give the NC750X a punt, along with a Tiger 800 of the age I can actually afford. Then work from there if nothing works out I suspect.

A big Bergman 650 doesn't sound bad...
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: Irishrover on January 05, 2019, 10:06:02 PM
*Originally Posted by mother-goose [+]
My wife is pretty understanding, but it won't stretch that far 😉

The mileage is the issue with regards to the VFR for me, I could need a valve clearance check twice a year, which is a days labour apparently.

On paper, without having ridden it yes, the F800GT looks like a good bet. I need to see how that adds up, try a GS variant too, and definitely give the NC750X a punt, along with a Tiger 800 of the age I can actually afford. Then work from there if nothing works out I suspect.

A big Bergman 650 doesn't sound bad...

If your budget is 8.5K mate, you can still get a lot of bike for 4000. I could easily buy 2 bikes with that budget.
I have read and watched many Honda VFR800 reviews and many guys state that the valve clearance check is unnecessary, some have even done well into the 60,000 mile range without checking it. Most that I read and watched that did check them said there was no adjustment required. This bike is bomb proof, almost bought one.
The big Burgervan will be comfy, but a bit of a barge. What about a used BMW C650 Sport or Yamaha Tmax 500?
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 05, 2019, 10:12:47 PM
*Originally Posted by Irishrover [+]
If your budget is 8.5K mate, you can still get a lot of bike for 4000. I could easily buy 2 bikes with that budget.
I have read and watched many Honda VFR800 reviews and many guys state that the valve clearance check is unnecessary, some have even done well into the 60,000 mile range without checking it. Most that I read and watched that did check them said there was no adjustment required. This bike is bomb proof, almost bought one.
The big Burgervan will be comfy, but a bit of a barge. What about a used BMW C650 Sport or Yamaha Tmax 500?

Whilst it's possible to get two bikes for 4k, I'd quite like to get one newer, well equipped one for the money I've got (or a bit less, as is the case with the F800GT, or an "old" Tiger 800). Rode the new XRT the other week and didn't realise how useful a heated seat is for winter riding.

With the VFR do you think you'd get nervous if you were pushing it that far? The mechanics said they'd never had to adjust one, but still wouldn't skip the service intervals (but of course...they make the money from that so...take it with a pinch of salt?)

I'd definitely look in to those other scoots though that's for sure, can't get much better weather protection than them!
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: Irishrover on January 05, 2019, 10:23:13 PM
*Originally Posted by mother-goose [+]
Whilst it's possible to get two bikes for 4k, I'd quite like to get one newer, well equipped one for the money I've got (or a bit less, as is the case with the F800GT, or an "old" Tiger 800). Rode the new XRT the other week and didn't realise how useful a heated seat is for winter riding.

With the VFR do you think you'd get nervous if you were pushing it that far? The mechanics said they'd never had to adjust one, but still wouldn't skip the service intervals (but of course...they make the money from that so...take it with a pinch of salt?)

I'd definitely look in to those other scoots though that's for sure, can't get much better weather protection than them!

I test rode the Honda VFR800 and thought it was going to be a sports riding position, how wrong I was, absolutely loved the bike the longer I rode it. Got a video review on my YouTube channel. I would definitely consider it as a used buy and seen as I'm a gambling man I would do the valve check every second interval.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: ewryly on January 05, 2019, 10:43:24 PM
*Originally Posted by Irishrover [+]
If your budget is 8.5K mate, you can still get a lot of bike for 4000. I could easily buy 2 bikes with that budget.
I have read and watched many Honda VFR800 reviews and many guys state that the valve clearance check is unnecessary, some have even done well into the 60,000 mile range without checking it. Most that I read and watched that did check them said there was no adjustment required. This bike is bomb proof, almost bought one.
The big Burgervan will be comfy, but a bit of a barge. What about a used BMW C650 Sport or Yamaha Tmax 500?

I agree that the VFR is a great bike for long hauls.  (I put over 52,000 on mine.)   I put on Helibars and like them, but I think I could have done just fine with the stock bars.  I also had the valve check done at 32,000, and the mechanic said everything was great and that he wouldn't do it again.  He'd never seen a VFR out of spec. 
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: BabisStinson on January 06, 2019, 06:56:41 AM
*Originally Posted by Jonathan [+]
I'll add my tuppence as well....the X is a relatively small, relatively low powered bike. For urban commuting, A and B roads it's excellent...great mpg, comfortable, fun to ride, enough poke for most circumstances and handles well, wet or dry. For sustained highway riding it's hard work. No reason why you can't do the occasional long stretch on it, but it wouldn't be my bike of choice if I was planning to do big motorway miles on a regular basis. A bigger, heavier, more powerful bike is much less tiring at constant highway speeds...horses for courses

Thank you for your comments, big motorway miles will be done 2-3 times per year, during summer mostly, so I guess we will be ok  :002:
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 06, 2019, 07:43:07 AM
*Originally Posted by Irishrover [+]
Got a video review on my YouTube channel. I would definitely consider it as a used buy and seen as I'm a gambling man I would do the valve check every second interval.

I knew I recognised your screen name! Will check out the vid.

*Originally Posted by ewryly [+]
I agree that the VFR is a great bike for long hauls.  (I put over 52,000 on mine.)   I put on Helibars and like them, but I think I could have done just fine with the stock bars.  I also had the valve check done at 32,000, and the mechanic said everything was great and that he wouldn't do it again.  He'd never seen a VFR out of spec.

Question to both of you then: What sort of mileage would you find acceptable on a used MK2 Crossrunner?
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: Irishrover on January 06, 2019, 11:23:24 AM
*Originally Posted by mother-goose [+]
I knew I recognised your screen name! Will check out the vid.

Question to both of you then: What sort of mileage would you find acceptable on a used MK2 Crossrunner?

I wouldn't be put off with high mileage, so long as it has a service history. The more miles it has the lower the asking price should be and vice-versa.
Use the high miles as a bargaining tool. Most bike dealers wont put anything out on the showroom floor with high miles. I would say they base a bikes annual mileage around 4000 per year and most will only be used in summer months.
I prefer to buy private as you can get a better deal in my opinion.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 06, 2019, 11:34:29 AM
For me it seems to be an issue whereby there just aren't many Crossrunner around, I've not seen a single private one near me (any other suggestions of places to look other than bike trader and eBay?)

As a point of reference, this is the closest one to me (they've had it for between 6-9 months).

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808109366685

I feel it's possibly over priced?
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: Irishrover on January 06, 2019, 12:16:38 PM
*Originally Posted by mother-goose [+]
For me it seems to be an issue whereby there just aren't many Crossrunner around, I've not seen a single private one near me (any other suggestions of places to look other than bike trader and eBay?)

As a point of reference, this is the closest one to me (they've had it for between 6-9 months).

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201808109366685

I feel it's possibly over priced?

That is over priced for the mileage. There is one up here being sold by Cupar motorcycles, very low miles and way cheaper than the Dobles bike.
https://www.gumtree.com/p/honda-motorbikes/2016-honda-vfr800x-f-crossrunner-vfr-800/1324432008
If it's the bike your after don't let distance put you off either. You could always get a train or a flight within the U.k. and ride it home.
There are a few on Gumtree also.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 06, 2019, 02:15:11 PM
*Originally Posted by Irishrover [+]
That is over priced for the mileage. There is one up here being sold by Cupar motorcycles, very low miles and way cheaper than the Dobles bike.
https://www.gumtree.com/p/honda-motorbikes/2016-honda-vfr800x-f-crossrunner-vfr-800/1324432008
If it's the bike your after don't let distance put you off either. You could always get a train or a flight within the U.k. and ride it home.
There are a few on Gumtree also.

Not afraid to travel but that sort of distance is starting to erode the financial benefit. There's another one much more in line with that price within sensible distance but I didn't want to link to it in case someone else nabbed it.

The one I linked to, if I got that for under 8k I think it'd be alright? As long as the valve clearance service had been done recently?
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: ewryly on January 06, 2019, 02:52:33 PM
*Originally Posted by mother-goose [+]
Not afraid to travel but that sort of distance is starting to erode the financial benefit. There's another one much more in line with that price within sensible distance but I didn't want to link to it in case someone else nabbed it.

The one I linked to, if I got that for under 8k I think it'd be alright? As long as the valve clearance service had been done recently?

I have no doubt that my VFR had another 50,000+ miles in it when I got rid of it at 50,000+ miles.  It was going to need some maintenance--I kept up on fluids and brakes, etc, but it needed a new chain, and I was going to have the headset bearings replaced and possibly the rear shock--and I wanted to try a lighter bike.  I'm turning 62 soon, and the VFR was only my second bike, and I wanted to try something light and fun that I could still tour on.  I love the CBX and can't wait to ride to Colorada this summer, but the fit and finish and handling and looks (I always got people stopped next to me telling me how much they like the bike) on the VFR are amazing.  And I hear you concerning riding on the highway.  From my few 100 or so mile rides on the highway on my CBX, I have no doubt that I will be more tired taking this bike on the highway than I was the VFR (but I will also be smiling a lot!).  The VFR bike redlines around 12,500, and it is doing 75mph at 6000 rpm in 6th gear.  And it handles like it looks.

I use to be on vfrworld.com.  They were a helpful bunch.  You might check them out and vfrdiscussion.com.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 06, 2019, 03:10:00 PM
*Originally Posted by ewryly [+]

I use to be on vfrworld.com.  They were a helpful bunch.  You might check them out and vfrdiscussion.com.

Will check those out too.

As it stands I'm going to have a look at the following bikes and work from there if nothing ticks the boxes.

- F800GT
- F800GS
- VFR800X Crossrunner
- Tiger 800
- V-STROM 650
- V-STROM 1000
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: bullroarer on January 06, 2019, 03:31:25 PM
Hey mother goose.
My ol school chum I go touring with each year his bike is up for grabs.
May not be your cuppa T but its a Honda CBF1000, in black, has a super smooth engine (more smooth than the FJR strangely).
Any way if interested pm me.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: catstevecam on January 06, 2019, 03:38:45 PM
*Originally Posted by ewryly [+]
I agree that the VFR is a great bike for long hauls.  (I put over 52,000 on mine.)   I put on Helibars and like them, but I think I could have done just fine with the stock bars.  I also had the valve check done at 32,000, and the mechanic said everything was great and that he wouldn't do it again.  He'd never seen a VFR out of spec.

The VFR is a great bike for long hauls - but you'll definitely notice a fuel penalty compared to the 'X'
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 06, 2019, 03:41:25 PM
*Originally Posted by catstevecam [+]
The VFR is a great bike for long hauls - but you'll definitely notice a fuel penalty compared to the 'X'

Now that I've corrected my insurance quotes for the increased mileage (forgot to do that) I'll have to rule out the VFR, it's stupid. Over 2k for fully comp!
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: ewryly on January 06, 2019, 04:03:09 PM
*Originally Posted by catstevecam [+]
The VFR is a great bike for long hauls - but you'll definitely notice a fuel penalty compared to the 'X'

45-50 mpg on the highway, a lot less the more fun you are having, but 40 is pretty typical for general riding.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: Jonathan on January 07, 2019, 02:59:29 AM
*Originally Posted by mother-goose [+]
....Over 2k for fully comp!

Holy sh#t Sauce....that's some premium!

I'd have a closer look at the V strom 650...no shortage of late, low mileage ones, with all the extras added...
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 07, 2019, 07:22:36 AM
*Originally Posted by Jonathan [+]
Holy sh#t Sauce....that's some premium!

I'd have a closer look at the V strom 650...no shortage of late, low mileage ones, with all the extras added...

I will be that's for sure!

There's something very weird about the VFR which is making it mega expensive for an inexperienced person like me to insure.... clearly I fit the risk profile of someone who's going to crash it (which is fair enough, 100bhp is a fair amount), and with the miles I'm going to do there's more opportunity for me to do so (in their eyes).

On paper the V-STROM 650 seems like a pretty small power increase over the CB500X? Not that I won't give it a go of course, just curious. The 1000 one didn't offer fantastic wind protection from my brief ride.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: Markdarren on January 07, 2019, 07:56:25 AM
I have a very similar journey to yours riding 100 miles a day, 4 days a week, all year round. This commute consists of country lanes, motorways and city riding. I have a CB500x 2016 with a standard screen, to combat the buffeting I leave earlier for work and cruise around 65ish on the motorways, my average mpg is between 94 to 98 the best being 104. I also had a VFR800 but the problem with this bike regarding motorways is the mpg just as be as bad as a car.

I would suggest saving your money and just leave slightly earlier for work and cruise at a steady pace to combat the buffeting.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 07, 2019, 08:01:32 AM
*Originally Posted by Markdarren [+]
I have a very similar journey to yours riding 100 miles a day, 4 days a week, all year round. This commute consists of country lanes, motorways and city riding. I have a CB500x 2016 with a standard screen, to combat the buffeting I leave earlier for work and cruise around 65ish on the motorways, my average mpg is between 94 to 98 the best being 104. I also had a VFR800 but the problem with this bike regarding motorways is the mpg just as be as bad as a car.

I would suggest saving your money and just leave slightly earlier for work and cruise at a steady pace to combat the buffeting.

It's not a bad suggestion that one I must admit. Having not done the commute in the rush hour yet I also don't know how much time I'll actually spend at full motorway speeds, so all of this could be moot, I hadn't considered that.

Got the interview today so I'll at least get to sample the journey, but you do make an excellent point.

The economy isn't a big thing for me (sure, it's a benefit), it's the consistency of journey time. I'm a self employed IT contractor so I can claim my mileage through my company, it's enough to cover the fuel, insurance and servicing, with a bit left over (although not much left over if you do the vale clearance checks on schedule with the VFR).

Let's also not overlook the fact that my wife has agreed to changing the bike...
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 08, 2019, 02:08:58 PM
Having done that ride yesterday I am pretty sure I will change the bike for something. Even at 65mph the wind noise and buffetting is more than I'm willing to live with.

An annoying issue I have is that I can adjust the madstad screen to either keep the air off my chest, or help relieve the turbulence around my head...but not both. Raising the screen to the position that helps with the top of my head opens up a channel that comes in from the bottom and actually catches the underneath of the chin on my helmet. I'm sure a lot of this is down to my size and position I sit in (which is comfy for me).
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: Markdarren on January 08, 2019, 02:56:28 PM
Regarding the wind noise what helmet are you wearing and are you using earplugs?
By changing your helmet could be the cheaper option. I wear the new Shoei Neotec 2 with the comms system and just listening to the radio makes a huge difference regarding wind noise.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 08, 2019, 03:26:38 PM
I wear a Shark Spartan and ear plugs - it's not actually the wind noise that's doing my head in (literally), it's the constant jostling of my head which is giving me a headache and stiff shoulders/neck.

When I rode the Crossrunner previously (with the same equipment) all my worries disappeared.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: SnowOwl on January 08, 2019, 04:04:46 PM
I also experienced excessive buffeting.  Enough to cause blurred vision on the highway and making it impossible to read road signs at a distance.  After much experimentation I found that the Madstad 22" windscreen and winglets did the trick for me.  Now I ride the interstate at 70mph in comfort.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 08, 2019, 04:11:45 PM
*Originally Posted by SnowOwl [+]
I also experienced excessive buffeting.  Enough to cause blurred vision on the highway and making it impossible to read road signs at a distance.  After much experimentation I found that the Madstad 22" windscreen and winglets did the trick for me.  Now I ride the interstate at 70mph in comfort.

I've got the 20" with winglets and it hasn't worked out for me, but Ive gotten to the point that I'd prefer to change the bike for something..."more" rather than dump another 250 on a screen.

Stuff like the Tiger 800 XRT or XCA with Cruise, heated seats etc make great year round commuters, the VFR is peach (in my eyes) of an engine and I suffered no buffeting at all, even up to 90mph (which happened accidentally because the Vtec kicked in).

It sounds like a Deauville would be well suited to my commuter needs for little outlay - I'm almost tempted to go down that route (if I like it enough) to rack up a few more years of experience and No Claims Bonus.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: Jonathan on January 08, 2019, 04:54:29 PM
*Originally Posted by mother-goose [+]
I've got the 20" with winglets and it hasn't worked out for me, but Ive gotten to the point that I'd prefer to change the bike for something..."more" rather than dump another 250 on a screen.

Stuff like the Tiger 800 XRT or XCA with Cruise, heated seats etc make great year round commuters, the VFR is peach (in my eyes) of an engine and I suffered no buffeting at all, even up to 90mph (which happened accidentally because the Vtec kicked in).

It sounds like a Deauville would be well suited to my commuter needs for little outlay - I'm almost tempted to go down that route (if I like it enough) to rack up a few more years of experience and No Claims Bonus.

Thousands of couriers can't be wrong!
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 08, 2019, 05:11:23 PM
*Originally Posted by Jonathan [+]
Thousands of couriers can't be wrong!

With regards to what bit?
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: jsonder on January 08, 2019, 10:41:10 PM
NT700V used by couriers.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: ThirtyOne on January 09, 2019, 12:45:29 AM
*Originally Posted by mother-goose [+]
I've got the 20" with winglets and it hasn't worked out for me, but Ive gotten to the point that I'd prefer to change the bike for something..."more" rather than dump another 250 on a screen.

Stuff like the Tiger 800 XRT or XCA with Cruise, heated seats etc make great year round commuters, the VFR is peach (in my eyes) of an engine and I suffered no buffeting at all, even up to 90mph (which happened accidentally because the Vtec kicked in).

It sounds like a Deauville would be well suited to my commuter needs for little outlay - I'm almost tempted to go down that route (if I like it enough) to rack up a few more years of experience and No Claims Bonus.

I have a 20" + winglets coming my way as we speak. I'm using a factory 2013 screen though, which does little more than direct wind up my chest into my neck. I'm hoping that it'll fit me right, although I've played with various sized Madstad screens and other screens on the Madstad brackets (on previous bikes) and found screens work at one angle for one speed, and then need adjusting when speed changes  (like highway speeds / around town speeds). I haven't found one that I can just install at one position and be optimal for all riding conditions. YMMV
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: Jonathan on January 09, 2019, 02:27:38 AM
*Originally Posted by ThirtyOne [+]
I have a 20" + winglets coming my way as we speak. I'm using a factory 2013 screen though, which does little more than direct wind up my chest into my neck. I'm hoping that it'll fit me right, although I've played with various sized Madstad screens and other screens on the Madstad brackets (on previous bikes) and found screens work at one angle for one speed, and then need adjusting when speed changes  (like highway speeds / around town speeds). I haven't found one that I can just install at one position and be optimal for all riding conditions. YMMV




if only :006:
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 09, 2019, 07:03:59 AM
I could certainly see how the 22" screen could have worked for me, but there are plenty of other things that don't really make the CB500X a good motorway cruiser.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: AJC500 on January 09, 2019, 09:48:00 AM
That electric screen - what a bloody horrible noise!!

Mother Goose - I know exactly where you are coming from, wanting a little more bike for a more comfortable, lower revving, relaxed, motorway speed ride.  Get those test rides organised!!  :152:

Especially the V-Strom and the Versys, I'm sure one of those has the answer..... VFR is already off your list, the Tiger is very heavy and I'm not a BMW fan, for no discernible reason.....:034:
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 09, 2019, 10:15:40 AM
*Originally Posted by AJC500 [+]


Especially the V-Strom and the Versys, I'm sure one of those has the answer..... VFR is already off your list, the Tiger is very heavy and I'm not a BMW fan, for no discernible reason.....:034:

The Versys 1000 was too much bike for my current commute, but it might be a good fit for the new one. The one I rode had a tall screen and was still pretty windy, I'm kinda thinking it needs something like a MRA Vario. One thing I didn't like about it was it felt cheap, does that make sense? I see they are heavily revising it for this year and I can see why.

I have had some feedback elsewhere that I'm probably too tall for the F800GT and would be better suited to the GS variant - will try to see if I can have a go to prove it, but I saw one in the carpark the other day and thought they were probably right.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: AJC500 on January 09, 2019, 11:53:46 AM
I only rented the Versys for a week, and at home I was riding a naked Hyosung GT650, so anything with a screen would feel fine to me, and I don't seem to notice buffeting as much as some (I am around 5'10" and I think I slouch on the bike, and maybe that sits me lower than many folk!), but you've got to be comfortable, so I see why it's off the list.

I rode a BMW 800GS at a test day, and it was very nice, as was the 1200GS, which I tested with a lower seat option which made it quite manageable..... I just have this funny thing in my head about BMW, possibly just from some very offhand treatment in their dealerships!! 

It doesn't take much....but I've never bought either a BMW car or bike because of it!!   :034:
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 09, 2019, 01:11:20 PM
Ah well the Deauville has gone (and come up rarely) so I'll see how the others go, then see if I want to wait to try a Deauville.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: ThirtyOne on January 09, 2019, 02:16:00 PM
*Originally Posted by mother-goose [+]
I could certainly see how the 22" screen could have worked for me, but there are plenty of other things that don't really make the CB500X a good motorway cruiser.

While looking for a screen for my 650 VStrom, I ordered a 20" and 22" from Madstad and played around with both for a few days with the option to return one of the two for a full refund (Madstad was very good to work with). I found that the 22" worked for me on that bike. I did have a tall seat on that bike though, so if I had an OEM seat, perhaps the 20" would hav worked better.

As I had mentioned earlier, it's one of those things where you have to play around with. Unfortunately, unless you have friends that ride the same exact bike and they have different screens, you really don't know until you buy and try. I made the investment with Madstad because their mounting bracket is brilliant and it'll get me closer to the fabled "perfect bubble."
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: Jonathan on January 09, 2019, 04:28:51 PM
*Originally Posted by ThirtyOne [+]
While looking for a screen for my 650 VStrom, I ordered a 20" and 22" from Madstad and played around with both for a few days with the option to return one of the two for a full refund (Madstad was very good to work with). I found that the 22" worked for me on that bike. I did have a tall seat on that bike though, so if I had an OEM seat, perhaps the 20" would hav worked better.

As I had mentioned earlier, it's one of those things where you have to play around with. Unfortunately, unless you have friends that ride the same exact bike and they have different screens, you really don't know until you buy and try. I made the investment with Madstad because their mounting bracket is brilliant and it'll get me closer to the fabled "perfect bubble."

It's amazing to think that these companies (or Dealers) don't have trial screens....just a range of tough blanks that they can send out on a deposit basis...if I were in the screen-making business, I'd offer that service. They do this now with glasses; you order a few pairs of frames, try them on at home, and send them back...smaller market obviously, but windshields are just as personal and at s a pop, it can be a costly process finding the right one
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: ThirtyOne on January 09, 2019, 10:45:31 PM
*Originally Posted by Jonathan [+]
It's amazing to think that these companies (or Dealers) don't have trial screens....just a range of tough blanks that they can send out on a deposit basis...if I were in the screen-making business, I'd offer that service. They do this now with glasses; you order a few pairs of frames, try them on at home, and send them back...smaller market obviously, but windshields are just as personal and at s a pop, it can be a costly process finding the right one

Yeah, it makes sense what you're saying. But, in the end, it works out to them, financially, to keep it the way it is. If you go on some of the bigger forums you'll find tons of used windshields or people selling bikes with 4-5 additional windshields as free accessories.

I contacted Madstad beforehand and talked with them for a bit. I'm 6', which is right on the line between the two screens. Being a little longer in the torso and also having the tall seat, it was a bit of a toss up as to which one to go with. The nice lady on the phone told me that as long as I didn't scratch up the screen I could return one. Super nice people.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: catstevecam on January 09, 2019, 11:34:08 PM
*Originally Posted by mother-goose [+]

Some cracking advice there dude, thanks.

I should really try the V-STROM 650 I reckon, and give the 1000 another go too. I seem to remember that the wind protection wasn't great...but I have an issue because I'm comparing it to the Crossrunner...which was brilliant. But expensive to maintain and insure. I really should be ruling it out.

I did like the Versys 1000 - but again the wind turbulence wasn't great, even with a taller screen on it. Worth a look again perhaps, especially at the 650 too. Trying to find one for a test ride in any sort of local vicinity is causing a problem there.

The mechanics that I got my bike worked on yesterday suggested to avoid the old multistradas, but the new ones are brilliant. It's just the price issue again for me there - and let's be honest, if I could afford to insure that, I'd probably go with whatever R1200RT I could afford.

I almost forgot the about the F800GS, must make sure I look at that and the GT when I do.

The NC750X is the one I'm not surprised has been thrown in to the mix. Everything I've read says they are good, but dull? More importantly though (considering the Deauville is a possibility, I clearly will accept full in to the "maybe" list) is that the wind protection is reportedly not much better than the CB500X?

And if I like none of them? Might as well contemplate a scoot!

Hope the motorway commuter search is proceeding well . . .
I didn't particularly like the NC750 I tested before getting the 'X' - maybe it would be different on faster roads where the extra weight would aid stability. The lack of 'get up and go' might not be so useful!
The VStrom 650 has a great engine (almost considered an old design) and enough bodywork to make it slip through the traffic and keep a lot of spray off the rider. I would definitely consider it or it's bigger bro.
The BMW 800 twin series - the engines have the power to make a motorway journey OK - but the wind and rider protection was too poor for me to consider for long journeys.
I rode a Burgman 400 for a few years (v handy commuter and no bits to fiddle with when parked in city bays - and the 2-helmet capacity under seat storage was brilliant) - it was lively on dual carriageways and happy cruising in the 80's - I can only imagine the 650 is amazing, with better handling and the same rider protection (my helmet would catch rain only if I was going slowly).
Enjoy the chase - there will be some private bargains to be had if you have the readies and you could always call on fellow forumites to check-out a prospect if it is too far to travel from the deep south  :152:
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: Jonathan on January 10, 2019, 12:40:12 AM
*Originally Posted by catstevecam [+]
Hope the motorway commuter search is proceeding well . . .
I didn't particularly like the NC750 I tested before getting the 'X' - maybe it would be different on faster roads where the extra weight would aid stability. The lack of 'get up and go' might not be so useful!
The VStrom 650 has a great engine (almost considered an old design) and enough bodywork to make it slip through the traffic and keep a lot of spray off the rider. I would definitely consider it or it's bigger bro.
The BMW 800 twin series - the engines have the power to make a motorway journey OK - but the wind and rider protection was too poor for me to consider for long journeys.
I rode a Burgman 400 for a few years (v handy commuter and no bits to fiddle with when parked in city bays - and the 2-helmet capacity under seat storage was brilliant) - it was lively on dual carriageways and happy cruising in the 80's - I can only imagine the 650 is amazing, with better handling and the same rider protection (my helmet would catch rain only if I was going slowly).
Enjoy the chase - there will be some private bargains to be had if you have the readies and you could always call on fellow forumites to check-out a prospect if it is too far to travel from the deep south  :152:

I had my eye on this recently...Japan built, 800 cc V twin...lovely

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1029881

how about that for a motorway muncher?
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: Jonathan on January 10, 2019, 12:48:56 AM
*Originally Posted by mother-goose [+]
Ah well the Deauville has gone (and come up rarely) so I'll see how the others go, then see if I want to wait to try a Deauville.

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1039855 Hampshire?
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 10, 2019, 06:52:38 AM
*Originally Posted by Jonathan [+]
https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1039855 Hampshire?

Had seen that one but ruled it out as I'm after the newer NT700. But for a test ride proposition...maybe not so bad!

And thank you for your other reply too!
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: AJC500 on January 10, 2019, 09:47:13 AM
Don't think I'd want an old bike (even an old Honda) for a long daily commute.  Nice modern mechanicals, ABS and fuel injection for me!!  I know, I'm getting lazy and soft in my old age!!  :001:
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 10, 2019, 10:00:19 AM
*Originally Posted by AJC500 [+]
Don't think I'd want an old bike (even an old Honda) for a long daily commute.  Nice modern mechanicals, ABS and fuel injection for me!!  I know, I'm getting lazy and soft in my old age!!  :001:

That's the stuff I want too, you're not alone there!
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: uku383 on January 10, 2019, 12:27:14 PM
*Originally Posted by mother-goose [+]
That's the stuff I want too, you're not alone there!

I completely agree!!!! I'm happy without all of the fancy gizmos like engine mapping modes, but EFI and ABS mean reliability, efficiency and safety.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 10, 2019, 02:28:21 PM
*Originally Posted by uku383 [+]
I completely agree!!!! I'm happy without all of the fancy gizmos like engine mapping modes, but EFI and ABS mean reliability, efficiency and safety.

Sounds worryingly like the NC750X... it's like the "spare car" that'd stalk Jeremy, Richard and James on the TG big adventures.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: Herman on January 10, 2019, 07:03:58 PM
I am biased here as I have one but you could get a very nice S10 for your budget, winglets and a screen spoiler sort the buffetting . Shaft drive too. Come Armageddon the only things left will be cockroaches and S10s. They are a bit of a best kept secret in this country as the press are fed BMW pies but stateside they do huge miles on them compared to us. 
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 10, 2019, 07:32:27 PM
*Originally Posted by Herman [+]
I am biased here as I have one but you could get a very nice S10 for your budget, winglets and a screen spoiler sort the buffetting . Shaft drive too. Come Armageddon the only things left will be cockroaches and S10s. They are a bit of a best kept secret in this country as the press are fed BMW pies but stateside they do huge miles on them compared to us.

Stupid question... what's an S10?
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: HerrDeacon on January 10, 2019, 08:03:42 PM
S10 = Yamaha Super Tenere
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 10, 2019, 08:06:32 PM
Aha, the XT1200! Insurance is hideous unfortunately due the engine capacity.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 10, 2019, 10:02:45 PM
This is what's killing my choice atm, once I get above 650cc the insurance costs roughly equal the cc of the bike on the cheapest premium (fully comp), but the next cheapest policy is double that. Apart from the insurer MCE every quote I've got is over 1.5k, usually over 2k.

Having really looked at the V-Strom 650 I think I've got to go and try it. The latest XT guise is the one I like the look of. I rode a 10 year old SV650F the other day and that has more than enough to for me.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: UnmzldOx on January 11, 2019, 04:19:18 AM
For some on this forum this might sound backward since they were there once. Have you considered the CB650F? Ergos are sorta upright. Smooth power comes on at higher revs. An afterrmarket screen and tail bag might make it a solid commuter.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: VersysRider on January 11, 2019, 07:55:16 AM
*Originally Posted by Herman [+]
I am biased here as I have one but you could get a very nice S10 for your budget, winglets and a screen spoiler sort the buffetting . Shaft drive too. Come Armageddon the only things left will be cockroaches and S10s. They are a bit of a best kept secret in this country as the press are fed BMW pies but stateside they do huge miles on them compared to us.
I bought one the first year they were in the US. I had it 3 years, it was the most disliked bike I have ever owned. A Tall, wide, top heavy, slow turning turd. It was reliable though...and I have a few friends that love theirs.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 11, 2019, 09:00:18 AM
*Originally Posted by UnmzldOx [+]
For some on this forum this might sound backward since they were there once. Have you considered the CB650F? Ergos are sorta upright. Smooth power comes on at higher revs. An afterrmarket screen and tail bag might make it a solid commuter.

I have - absolutely LOVE that engine, but it's got naff all weather protection and this will likely be ridden in whatever weather (try saying that three times fast...) Britain can throw at me. Similarly the new CB650R looks stunning, if it was going to just be a play thing then it'd be no contest, I know where my money would be going. If they did a CB650X I'd be all over it, but alas they do not.

From a practicality point of view I'd want a reasonable sized topbox on the back and it really ruins the aesthetics for such a bike. The tail bag is the best looking solution but doesn't give me enough volume. I have an aversion to wearing rucksacks on my back unless I've got my laptop in there (save it from the vibrations in the topbox).
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: AJC500 on January 11, 2019, 04:57:31 PM
Just killing time, and nosing through the local Honda dealer's website... I could put up with riding either of these, for looks anyway, I've never ridden either!!

https://www.victordevine.com/used-bikes/suzuki/v-strom-650/7236.htm

https://www.victordevine.com/used-bikes/honda/nc750/7250.htm

Don't know how the prices compare, I suspect we pay a bit more up here, but it's fun to look around.  :001:
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 11, 2019, 06:05:13 PM
*Originally Posted by AJC500 [+]
Just killing time, and nosing through the local Honda dealer's website... I could put up with riding either of these, for looks anyway, I've never ridden either!!

https://www.victordevine.com/used-bikes/suzuki/v-strom-650/7236.htm

https://www.victordevine.com/used-bikes/honda/nc750/7250.htm

Don't know how the prices compare, I suspect we pay a bit more up here, but it's fun to look around.  :001:

It is, isn't it?

They both look pretty reasonable to me. The V-STROM is a good spec there too (it's the X variant I think, based in the kit it's got - they've just kept the topbox).
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 14, 2019, 11:04:56 AM
Today I've mostly been amazed at how changing my job title has had a dramatic impact on my insurance premium (the job title is still accurate).

I'm also baffled about a Tiger 800 XRT [value at 8k - Insurance Group 14] is over 200 less to insure per annum that a Suzuki V-Strom 650 [valued at 7k, insurance group 9].
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: ThirtyOne on January 14, 2019, 11:56:53 AM
*Originally Posted by mother-goose [+]
Today I've mostly been amazed at how changing my job title has had a dramatic impact on my insurance premium (the job title is still accurate).

I'm also baffled about a Tiger 800 XRT [value at 8k - Insurance Group 14] is over 200 less to insure per annum that a Suzuki V-Strom 650 [valued at 7k, insurance group 9].

Perhaps they're secretly pushing customers to buy locally built products  :008:
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 14, 2019, 12:03:41 PM
Ha, could be!
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: Jonathan on January 14, 2019, 03:53:12 PM
*Originally Posted by mother-goose [+]
Today I've mostly been amazed at how changing my job title has had a dramatic impact on my insurance premium (the job title is still accurate).

I'm also baffled about a Tiger 800 XRT [value at 8k - Insurance Group 14] is over 200 less to insure per annum that a Suzuki V-Strom 650 [valued at 7k, insurance group 9].

A lot depends on the Life table data for that particular vehicle...back in the day you could insure a CB1000 for less than an RD 350LC...age was irrelevant...LCs tended to be ragged senseless everywhere, wrapped around trees on a daily basis and stolen for fun, so from an Insurer's point of view, a much higher risk.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on January 14, 2019, 03:55:53 PM
*Originally Posted by Jonathan [+]
A lot depends on the Life table data for that particular vehicle...back in the day you could insure a CB1000 for less than an RD 350LC...age was irrelevant...LCs tended to be ragged senseless everywhere, wrapped around trees on a daily basis and stolen for fun, so from an Insurer's point of view, a much higher risk.

Yup, I understand the logic of how it works...it's just interesting to see how it plays out sometimes as this isn't what I'd remotely expect. The NC750X has the same story. Maybe the profile of the Tiger 800 rider is traditionally older and wiser and less accident prone so there are less claims, making it a better bike to go after.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: hec on January 14, 2019, 09:13:50 PM
*Originally Posted by mother-goose [+]
Yup, I understand the logic of how it works...it's just interesting to see how it plays out sometimes as this isn't what I'd remotely expect. The NC750X has the same story. Maybe the profile of the Tiger 800 rider is traditionally older and wiser and less accident prone so there are less claims, making it a better bike to go after.

Age profile might be older but they weight for age so... a guess but stereotyping freely I bet a Tiger 800X gets bought by someone dreaming of riding round the world and lives in a garage whereas a vstrom or nc gets commuted and parked up at work every day
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: uku383 on January 14, 2019, 10:34:52 PM
*Originally Posted by hec [+]
Age profile might be older but they weight for age so... a guess but stereotyping freely I bet a Tiger 800X gets bought by someone dreaming of riding round the world and lives in a garage whereas a vstrom or nc gets commuted and parked up at work every day

LOL - there's a lot of that happening!
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: Applecorp on February 04, 2019, 08:12:58 AM
I had a test ride on the new Tiger 800 XRT on Saturday.

It's the best bike I have ever ridden, and I really mean that.

Honestly, this is like a more powerful, top of the line premium CB500X, if there were ever such a thing. Literally couldn't fault the bike at all and is superb on the motorway, superb out of the box windscreen and cruise control making it even more tolerable. Never would have thought I'd appreciate a heated seat either.   :001:  and boy what a luxuriously comfortable seat it is!

Sadly, out of my price range. Seriously looking at a used XRX though, which is effectively the same bike, without the spec.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on February 04, 2019, 08:15:07 AM
Hahahaha yeah that heated seat is really nice isn't it?

I think I'm actually going to go for an R1200GS in the end. The Tiger was great but it still sufferers from a lot of wind buffeting for me. I'll have to caveat that and say that it was significantly better on the 2017 models, but I can't afford one of them.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: Applecorp on February 04, 2019, 08:21:59 AM
*Originally Posted by mother-goose [+]
The Tiger was great but it still sufferers from a lot of wind buffeting for me.

Really, I had a very pleasant experience, it's the first thing I focus on. Was it an older model? Was it on the high setting, are you a taller rider? I'm 5ft 10.

This brand new one I rode had a rather tall screen.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on February 04, 2019, 08:34:43 AM
Yeah I'm 6'2" so I'm more susceptible than most.

Realised I meant the 2018 model earlier, not the 2017 I think? The new one certainly was far far better for me. I've ridden and older one with an MRA Vario that worked really well. Even on the GS I reckon I'll need one.

The only bikes I've ridden where I've been fine are the R1200GT and the VFR-800X Crossrunner, but the latter is horrendously expensive to insure for me at the moment. I've also realised I'd like shaft drive with the mileage I'm going to be doing.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: Applecorp on February 04, 2019, 08:58:11 AM
Ah thought so, yes the 2018 model is definitely better, but as you say I can't afford one either.   :003:
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on February 12, 2019, 03:55:58 PM
Right then, I've finally made a decision! In the end I didn't go with the GS (nice bike, but the engine is really vibey and I didn't like it's characteristics - I was riding a 40,000 mile example so maybe it wasn't in the best condition).

So what did I go for? An Africa Twin DCT - found a cracking second hand one with all the options I wanted (and more):


It came with full luggage but they've knocked money off for me not taking that - I am fitting a 52L topbox as that suits my needs better as a commuter (and needing to store kit in it at the other end).
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: Applecorp on February 12, 2019, 04:23:11 PM
Nice bike, enjoy.

Regarding Barkbusters, recently put some on my Tracer 900, I only wish I'd done it months ago as they do a superb job protecting from wind chill and are really well made, way better than stock and can't recommend them highly enough. Best 85 I've spent.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on February 12, 2019, 06:07:41 PM
Yeah I agree, from the test ride with the stock ones and then this, it was astronomically different, couldn't believe it! These ones are the "storm" model I believe.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: Applecorp on February 12, 2019, 06:17:45 PM
Yeah I got the Storm ones too. As you say it really is astronomically different. I wish bike makers wouldn't go the style over substance route. I ain't bothered about the looks when it comes to handguards, I want them to work!
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: UKJeeper on February 12, 2019, 06:22:14 PM
If you really want winter protection, look at the Barkbuster Blizzard muffs. Not as.... er... fugly as the other muffs available, and mount onto the metal guards.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: Applecorp on February 12, 2019, 06:31:17 PM
I draw the line somewhere, I'll pass on muffs thank you very much.   :153:
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: Jonathan on February 12, 2019, 06:56:32 PM
*Originally Posted by Applecorp [+]
I draw the line somewhere, I'll pass on muffs thank you very much.   :153:

check out these beauties....

(https://cdn.img.cb500x.com/index.jpg)

pretty sure they're old 5L oil containers
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on February 12, 2019, 07:12:11 PM
I can completely understand the muffs, I'm going to see how these go with rain protection - as I'm going to be a year round commuter in all weathers I will say no to nothing when it comes to comfort.

Have any of you ridden a DCT bike? Absolutely amazing (if you like it I guess, some will hate it I know).

I test road the 2018 model first and that definitely is a step on from the 2016 model as well. Couldn't afford one and I wasn't that upset, but the development progress is impressive. Whatever they do with the new one is 2020 will be brilliant I'm sure.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: mother-goose on February 12, 2019, 07:16:13 PM
*Originally Posted by Jonathan [+]
check out these beauties....

(https://cdn.img.cb500x.com/index.jpg)

pretty sure they're old 5L oil containers

That reminds me of couriers on their CB500's with estate agents signs cut to shape for weather protection.
Title: Re: Suggestions for a motorway commuter
Post by: Applecorp on February 12, 2019, 07:59:48 PM
*Originally Posted by mother-goose [+]
I can completely understand the muffs, I'm going to see how these go with rain protection - as I'm going to be a year round commuter in all weathers I will say no to nothing when it comes to comfort.

I understand them, I just have a kind of phobia against them (and they look sh#t), a bit like those foot holder things on racing bicycles. I feel like I'm not in control of my extremities when they're trapped in these devices.

I guess it depends on how far you have to travel, my commute is fairly short so heated grips and Barkbusters are fine, although I do have heated gloves but since installing the Barkbusters it's amazing how much they're not needed now.