Honda CB500X

Bikers Chat => On Two Wheels => Topic started by: ThirtyOne on May 22, 2019, 03:18:40 PM

Title: Tenere 700 Launch
Post by: ThirtyOne on May 22, 2019, 03:18:40 PM
At long last Yamaha has finally released the Tenere 700. Looks like the press launch has been this week and from the various short clips on the socials the journos have been impressed but not ecstatic. In comparison, I felt that they were much more impressed with the 790R which is a direct competitor that was released earlier this year.

Maybe the lack of electronics, modes and other goodies makes the bike feel a bit behind the times. Given that this is a 500X forum and we don't have rider modes and fancy electronics, I would imagine that many of us don't really care much for launch control, traction control, lean control, fast control, slow control and whatever else they pack into the onboard computers.

Anyway, curious as to the thoughts about it. It is, basically, a bigger engined (and better suspended) more dual purpose version of our beloved 500X. No frills. A relatively simple machine in contrast to the 2019 competition.
Title: Re: Tenere 700 Launch
Post by: Jonathan on May 22, 2019, 04:17:00 PM
I think the KTM is a much more focused bike....which is great if you're schlepping through the Gobi in record time, not so great if you're plodding through the morning traffic on a daily commute. Despite the protracted campaign demonstrating how competent the tenere is in any given (adventure) terrain, I'll hazard a guess that few owners will push theirs to the anywhere near the limits of it's capabilities. Same goes for the 790, but I imagine the KTM will appeal to those who will actually attempt some serious off road journeys while the Yam will be a firm favourite among those who like a really good all rounder with off road capabilities...I'd definitely have one if I was in the market and had the cash....maybe more so than the @Twin
Title: Re: Tenere 700 Launch
Post by: ThirtyOne on May 22, 2019, 05:24:30 PM
I agree with you. One thing that I've noticed is that the rally teams have already made fast work at adapting a kit to fit the 790. Not sure how well it will perform, but it appears that a lot of the advanced suspension technology has made its way into the 790R. I'd imagine that the T700 will also get some attention once they're finally delivered to customers.

My main point of focus between the two, if we're comparing them, would be the low tanks on the 790. I've ridden boxer engined BMWs and because the engines are so low, the bike feels incredibly light for what it is. My guess is that if you were to ride the two back to back, the 790 would win a lot of categories from a technical standpoint, from larger more powerful engine, better suspension, more ride aids (as many feel that's a plus. I can't lie, a quickshifter looks like fun), and the low tank advantage.

Many will mention KTM's poor track record with reliability. I can't argue that. The Yamaha seems like a much simpler bike that comes from a manufacturer that is known for reliability. I don't know about the rest of the world, but we have Yamaha in every country in Central America (not so with KTM), so the dealer network is also a big plus.

I still see the T700 as a RRP L2 CB500X on steroids, which isn't a bad thing  :008:
Title: Re: Tenere 700 Launch
Post by: Marv_ on May 22, 2019, 07:05:33 PM
You know how Yamaha released the SP version of the MT-09 and the GT version of the Tracer, which added a quick shifter, different riding modes, better suspension, and addressed some of the original bikes issues?

Well, I predict they'll do the same with the Tenere in a few years time too.

Reading the MCN review, it does seem to be pretty positive - they do seem to be a little negative about it's simplicity, but that doesn't bother me!
Title: Re: Tenere 700 Launch
Post by: ThirtyOne on May 22, 2019, 07:27:03 PM
*Originally Posted by Marv_ [+]
You know how Yamaha released the SP version of the MT-09 and the GT version of the Tracer, which added a quick shifter, different riding modes, better suspension, and addressed some of the original bikes issues?

Well, I predict they'll do the same with the Tenere in a few years time too.

Reading the MCN review, it does seem to be pretty positive - they do seem to be a little negative about it's simplicity, but that doesn't bother me!

To be honest, I'm a bit biased as there has never been a Yamaha that has caught my attention until the T700. I had no idea about the GT and SP versions. Perhaps they'll do what Honda did with the AT, adding tech down the line. The simplicity doesn't bother me either!
Title: Re: Tenere 700 Launch
Post by: Mobydick on May 22, 2019, 09:17:43 PM
I am also keeping T7 on my radar.
For me the available power of my little pony is enough, although I was impressed by the smoothness and extra punch of the T7 engine ( tried a MT07).
Do you, folks, find any advantage (theoreticaly) of a spoked wheels RRL2 when compared to the T7?
If not, does this means the end of RR convertions on our beloved little
Honda?
Title: Re: Tenere 700 Launch
Post by: Marv_ on May 22, 2019, 09:40:55 PM
*Originally Posted by Mobydick [+]
If not, does this means the end of RR convertions on our beloved little
Honda?

Well, I imagine Rally Raid would only stop selling conversion kits if people stopped buying them. As they've gone to the effort of developing the level 1 and level 2 kits for the 2019 CB500X, I'd have to guess that demand is still pretty decent. I certainly hope so.

RR are taking delivery of a Tenere 700 too, so it'll be interesting to see what they do with it.

By the way, when I rode a Tracer 700 a month or so ago, I actually found that the engine wasn't quite as smooth as the twin in my CB500X. Extra power was nice, but putting aside the power, I thought the Honda twin fitted to our CB500X to be the sweeter engine...IMO anyway!
Title: Re: Tenere 700 Launch
Post by: Gills on May 23, 2019, 09:21:51 AM
*Originally Posted by ThirtyOne [+]
The Yamaha seems like a much simpler bike that comes from a manufacturer that is known for reliability.

I think Yamaha should be commended for producing a simple bike without any excessive electronics. Modern electronics are great, but I worry about the reliability of the switches and sensors that they rely on in the longer term. It is much easier to bodge a throttle cable in the back of beyond than fix a fly-by-wire throttle assembly. It looks as if they have made a bike which should carry on the Tenere reputation for longevity and reliability, even though it doesn't blow the socks off the journos at its launch.
Title: Re: Tenere 700 Launch
Post by: Herman on May 23, 2019, 03:15:43 PM
I am hoping to ride the two bikes back to back in a month at the T7 UK launch , trouble is the KTM will probably trounce the Yam to ride but to own I am not so sure. I have no brand loyalty having had both but the KTM's level of tech and reliability worries me if you use the bike as intended. I dont think I will be an early adopter of either mind as I object to beta testing bikes .
Title: Re: Tenere 700 Launch
Post by: ThirtyOne on May 23, 2019, 03:42:10 PM
*Originally Posted by Gills [+]
I think Yamaha should be commended for producing a simple bike without any excessive electronics. Modern electronics are great, but I worry about the reliability of the switches and sensors that they rely on in the longer term. It is much easier to bodge a throttle cable in the back of beyond than fix a fly-by-wire throttle assembly. It looks as if they have made a bike which should carry on the Tenere reputation for longevity and reliability, even though it doesn't blow the socks off the journos at its launch.

Pretty much exactly my way of thinking. I like being able to fix things myself and prefer the old-tech. Am I missing out? Maybe. But the peace of mind of keeping it simple is worth the "sacrifice" if you will.
Title: Re: Tenere 700 Launch
Post by: Trailrunner on May 23, 2019, 04:04:23 PM
If I won the lottery today I would buy the KTM 790R. When I saw this video at 13:00 minutes in I was hooked and printed a picture of it to put on my dream board. I just bought a Yamaha I can work on anywhere no change since 1987. I could ride my 60 miles round trip to work and back with a big smile on the KTM. I would not sell the CBX it kind of like my favorite socks.
Title: Re: Tenere 700 Launch
Post by: ThirtyOne on May 23, 2019, 06:58:09 PM
*Originally Posted by Trailrunner [+]
If I won the lottery today I would buy the KTM 790R. When I saw this video at 13:00 minutes in I was hooked and printed a picture of it to put on my dream board. I just bought a Yamaha I can work on anywhere no change since 1987. I could ride my 60 miles round trip to work and back with a big smile on the KTM. I would not sell the CBX it kind of like my favorite socks.

I've seen video. KTM struck gold with Riemann. That guy is an amazing rider and amazing cinematographer.
Title: Re: Tenere 700 Launch
Post by: Jonathan on May 23, 2019, 11:02:52 PM
I wouldn't last ten minutes on a bike that size off road....at those speeds :008:
Title: Re: Tenere 700 Launch
Post by: ThirtyOne on May 24, 2019, 03:29:55 AM
*Originally Posted by Jonathan [+]
I wouldn't last ten minutes on a bike that size off road....at those speeds :008:

I'd love to learn how to ride like that without any of the broken bones it takes to get there.  :008:
Title: Re: Tenere 700 Launch
Post by: PIGLET on May 24, 2019, 05:06:23 AM
Half that speed for me at 62 so i could take in the views .
Title: Re: Tenere 700 Launch
Post by: Trailrunner on May 24, 2019, 03:44:29 PM
That thing is a monster, I fought the V Storm to ride it hard it had the power but the drive train would just get tired. I never liked the 650 it felt fat and lazy my old XR650 was more fun. I live where we got some of the very best dirt, gravel and marbles. The CB is so much lighter but some of the washouts that change with each rain can jump up and grab you by the neck. I can see how the RR kit could make it more athletic I really like my CB a lot it does so much well. I have to say I would love to own one of them I got to talk to a Yamaha dealer last week in Blue Ridge GA. They stock a lot of dual sport and adventure parts tires lots of tires. When we were talking lone riders from the west and northeast pulled in on adventure bikes. I ask him about the new bike he said I wish I knew more they have released very little to us. He said we are getting calls and people are starting to ask questions like you are but Ranny that about all I know. He said the first two we get are sold guys that will walk in write the check and ride it off. If anyone is ever in that area Blue Ridge Yamaha is a great shop to get you going and they are nice people parts and the salesman have all been there over 20 years so they are easy to talk to and work with. I make it a point to stop a couple of times a year to say hello and look around so they remember me.
Title: Re: Tenere 700 Launch
Post by: ThirtyOne on May 24, 2019, 09:43:59 PM
*Originally Posted by Trailrunner [+]
That thing is a monster, I fought the V Storm to ride it hard it had the power but the drive train would just get tired. I never liked the 650 it felt fat and lazy my old XR650 was more fun. I live where we got some of the very best dirt, gravel and marbles. The CB is so much lighter but some of the washouts that change with each rain can jump up and grab you by the neck. I can see how the RR kit could make it more athletic I really like my CB a lot it does so much well. I have to say I would love to own one of them I got to talk to a Yamaha dealer last week in Blue Ridge GA. They stock a lot of dual sport and adventure parts tires lots of tires. When we were talking lone riders from the west and northeast pulled in on adventure bikes. I ask him about the new bike he said I wish I knew more they have released very little to us. He said we are getting calls and people are starting to ask questions like you are but Ranny that about all I know. He said the first two we get are sold guys that will walk in write the check and ride it off. If anyone is ever in that area Blue Ridge Yamaha is a great shop to get you going and they are nice people parts and the salesman have all been there over 20 years so they are easy to talk to and work with. I make it a point to stop a couple of times a year to say hello and look around so they remember me.

For whatever reason, Yamaha has decided to send the T700 to the USA next year. I guess it'll let them get any teething problems out of the way. At the same time, I've seen a number of people get tired of waiting and have gone with a 701, 790 or even an AT. I'm going to keep an eye on the YouTubes this weekend as the press launch just finished and there should be some content coming out on the new bike.
Title: Re: Tenere 700 Launch
Post by: bonaroo row on June 23, 2019, 12:49:25 AM
I lost all interest in the T7 when I saw that it has a longer wheelbase than the 62 AT wheelbase.  My fully RR farkeled cb500x has a 56 WB.  Long WB bikes feel like a barge to me.