Honda CB500X

Bikers Chat => On Two Wheels => Topic started by: Mobydick on July 10, 2019, 09:45:45 PM

Title: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: Mobydick on July 10, 2019, 09:45:45 PM
Hi folks
Today i sold my 18x, 3400km on the clock.

Bought it february last year new and it was my first bike. Previously just a small scooter for in town displacemets. Then, I was aiming a second hand, but didn't found any reasonably priced, so went for a new one without any ride, but I had no references, so it didn't make any difference.

After some experiments, reported here, to adapt it to my (over)size couldn't feel confortable standing up. Tried bar raisers, 35mm first then 50mm, pivot pegs. Riding on well paved surfaces was ok, although my legs are too much cramped.

In this scenario I gave up the idea of rallyraid it, as I had the intention to,gradually, go off road. Spending a full bucket of money and beeing unconfortable with it was a no-sense. So sold it.

Now I am looking for a new horse, but this time will want to ride first.

I will stay in this f(u)ntastic forum for a while and will report my evolution. Meanwhile suggestions are welcome.

My boundaries are a good ergonomy for a high seating position and standing up, so adventure type. Not overpowered, as light as possible, reliable and good looking 😉. No need for big tank.

My options on the list are:
-Africa Twin. Ergonomy perfect, weight on top limit, engine too big(?)
-BMW F800gs. Ergonomy good, better looking, on pole position.
-Tenere 700. Just on paper. Lighter,great engine, may be too biased off road, and unknown ergonomics. Not yet available at dealers.

Lets vote please.😂




 
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: halli on July 10, 2019, 09:50:38 PM
The BMW Gs 800 is your future pal if you are willing to spend the money. You will never go back :-)
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: CB-500-X on July 10, 2019, 09:51:57 PM
Yamaha T7 much cheaper to maintain and more capable
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: Admin on July 10, 2019, 10:15:49 PM
-BMW F800gs. Ergonomy good, better looking, on pole position.

Why the F800GS ? The newer 850 is much better ?   :002:
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: Mobydick on July 10, 2019, 10:55:16 PM
F800 because I am looking for a second hand bike. F850 would brake my budget. Can't justify so much money for short rides around.

Tenere is tempting, and 10000€ for a new one is not obscene. Will try to have a ride somewhere.

I am thinking sourcing one used bike in UK. Competitive prices, several on offer and its a good excuse to ride back home, taking a ferry from Portsmouth to Santander, then "picos da Europa" mountains on the way.
Does someone know if I, as a foreign citizen buy a bike there, can ride it just for coming back?
If the seller declares a permanent export to dvla, then the number plate will be cancelled, Isn't it? If he just declares a new owner I don't get the full logbook, and i don't know if Dvla sends new logbook abroad.

Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: drjack on July 11, 2019, 01:39:52 AM
Try some KTMs for size. They generally have a fairly high stand over height. They come in everything from a  350cc (my favorite) to about as big as anyone needs.
Jack
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: harryhendo on July 11, 2019, 03:01:58 AM
If you like the 'adventure bike' style and need a bigger bike, test ride the Kawasaki Versys and the Suzuki VStrom. People rave about those bikes. The VStrom's engine is very impressive. They are inexpensive (vs. a BMW or Triumph) and, at least here in the US, there are always listings for used bikes with very low mileage, barely touched.
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: Mence on July 11, 2019, 06:44:27 AM
Have you considered the '19 500X?

Slightly taller, better suspension components, larger front wheel?
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: Admin on July 11, 2019, 10:14:36 AM
If the seller declares a permanent export to dvla, then the number plate will be cancelled, Isn't it? If he just declares a new owner I don't get the full logbook, and i don't know if Dvla sends new logbook abroad.

Official guidence from the DVLA says:

If you bought a vehicle in the UK but do not have a UK address

You need to:

Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: japes1275 on July 11, 2019, 10:19:43 AM
I have always wanted an F700 GS but when the 2019 X was announced I went for that instead. I’d always wanted to do the RR 19” wheel conversion but didn’t want the seat height. So I’ve got a nice new 2019 X and the kit is on the way.

A few days ago I got the chance to have a good go on my sister’s F800 GS and really liked it. The handling was a bit strange but that could have been down to the lowered suspension and the low seat option was very uncomfortable. But the engine is great and the extra power very nice. It’s also much more ‘adventure’ oriented than the X.

So I’d definitely consider the 700 or 800 GS. I sat on the new 750 and 850 GS’s and wasn’t keen, way too big and didn’t feel as well made as the older ones.

Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: Jonathan on July 11, 2019, 04:02:04 PM
If you want a great off-road adv bike with good road manners buy a KLR, Tenere (XTZ660) the new T7...or a KTM 790.

if you want a great on road adv with good off-road manners buy a GS, @twin or Tiger XC.

Personally, I'd always go for the lightest in the category...assuming I could fit on it. The more off road you do the more times you'll be picking it out of the weeds.

the perfect adv bike is a bit of a myth...it's a bit like shoes: you can play football in trainers and you can run around in football boots, but if you're committed to one particular sport, you need the proper footwear.
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: Applecorp on July 11, 2019, 05:25:50 PM
*Originally Posted by halli [+]
The BMW Gs 800 is your future pal if you are willing to spend the money. You will never go back :-)

I concur. If I was to get another bike I've decided it is between the BMW and the Tiger 800 XRX.
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: catstevecam on July 11, 2019, 05:30:42 PM
I rather like the look, feel and quality of the MV Agusta Turismo Veloce 800  :300: - maybe because it weighs the same as the 500X and has 3 cylinders with more than double the power . . . just saying  :745:
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: goldfever on July 11, 2019, 09:13:17 PM
*Originally Posted by Applecorp [+]
I concur. If I was to get another bike I've decided it is between the BMW and the Tiger 800 XRX.

Have you ridden them? In my experience they are totally different!

IMO if you want something to take on gravel roads and things, the F800 is the way. But I found it dull, buzzy and with poor weather protection. The Tiger I would be less likely to take on the rough stuff, but man is it a fun and capable road machine.

Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: Applecorp on July 11, 2019, 09:26:05 PM
*Originally Posted by goldfever [+]
Have you ridden them? In my experience they are totally different!

I have ridden them, and they are different but I find it hard to choose as I'd like a bit more off road performance, as I occasionally like to venture off the beaten path . That said I lean more towards the Tiger as my riding is more road focused. I've ridden it a couple of times and I honestly couldn't fault it.
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: Mobydick on July 11, 2019, 09:49:39 PM
*Originally Posted by harryhendo [+]
If you like the 'adventure bike' style and need a bigger bike, test ride the Kawasaki Versys and the Suzuki VStrom. People rave about those bikes. The VStrom's engine is very impressive. They are inexpensive (vs. a BMW or Triumph) and, at least here in the US, there are always listings for used bikes with very low mileage, barely touched.

Don't like neither, estetichaly I mean. They seemd more oriented to road, touring. Never tried, but I don't feel atracted.
I think that we choose our bike as we choose our wife. Not because she is cheap or economical, but because we love her, I suppose!
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: Mobydick on July 11, 2019, 09:52:39 PM
*Originally Posted by drjack [+]
Try some KTMs for size. They generally have a fairly high stand over height. They come in everything from a  350cc (my favorite) to about as big as anyone needs.
Jack

The same applies to ktm. Good machines, expensive, but not fond of. May be to much biaised to enduro?
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: Mobydick on July 11, 2019, 09:59:05 PM
*Originally Posted by Mence [+]
Have you considered the '19 500X?

Slightly taller, better suspension components, larger front wheel?

Love it. Sat on in my dealer.
But the problem is exactly the same. Estetics very appealing, a little bit higher to ground, seat slightly better, but the same frame, same relative position of footpegs /handlebar/ seat, so the problem is still there.
Anyway will try it. Next saturday will try Africa Twin, already booked. If there is some time left, will try also the new 500x.
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: Mobydick on July 11, 2019, 10:19:36 PM
*Originally Posted by japes1275 [+]
I have always wanted an F700 GS but when the 2019 X was announced I went for that instead. I’d always wanted to do the RR 19” wheel conversion but didn’t want the seat height. So I’ve got a nice new 2019 X and the kit is on the way.

In the end how much will it cost? Is it worth?
In the beggining that was my intention too, but the cost (higher for 18 model) and size changed my mind.

But I in general I love the 500x, it feels so light and easy.
Its build quality, however, is not so good. I live close to sea and rust started to show. Last week, at the first year service, Honda accepted my claim and replaced the abs ring.
In the same garage I have a yamaha aerox scooter, 2007, that is by far better. This helped the decision to sell.

Looking forward to see the 19 500x rallyraid.
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: Mobydick on July 11, 2019, 10:30:12 PM
*Originally Posted by Jonathan [+]
If you want a great off-road adv bike with good road manners buy a KLR, Tenere (XTZ660) the new T7...or a KTM 790.

if you want a great on road adv with good off-road manners buy a GS, @twin or Tiger XC.

Personally, I'd always go for the lightest in the category...assuming I could fit on it. The more off road you do the more times you'll be picking it out of the weeds.

the perfect adv bike is a bit of a myth...it's a bit like shoes: you can play football in trainers and you can run around in football boots, but if you're committed to one particular sport, you need the proper footwear.

I agree with you. My preference goes to the lighter machine that fits.
Tenere 700 should be ahead, but not available to trial. The first units were all delivered, as far I was told, and to get one should make a deposit now, for delivery in october.
Xtz is an interesting machine,I like it, but I am afraid of the big single on road. Will try a friend's one.

Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: Mobydick on July 11, 2019, 10:36:09 PM
*Originally Posted by Jonathan [+]
the perfect adv bike is a bit of a myth...it's a bit like shoes: you can play football in trainers and you can run around in football boots, but if you're committed to one particular sport, you need the proper footwear.

😁The prototype of polivalence is the duck. It flies, it swims and it runs!...but does everything bad!
The bikes are the same.
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: japes1275 on July 11, 2019, 10:46:37 PM
Yes, the Honda is definitely not as well made as the BMW, though that doesn't necessarily mean it is less reliable or less value for money. I'm usually very good at looking after bikes (no winter use and things like ACF50) so I don't tend to see much in the way of rust.

Although I accept the F700 or F800 would probably be a better bike for me (and I could the 2019 X and RR kit will cost me more), there is something about the X that I really like and I've always been a Honda fan. I like the idea of an RR CBX because it is something different to the usual AT's and GS's. Maybe I'll be seduced by an AT or GS when I get the RR bike out of my system though!!

Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: Mobydick on July 12, 2019, 09:01:27 AM
*Originally Posted by Admin [+]
Official guidence from the DVLA says:

If you bought a vehicle in the UK but do not have a UK address

You need to:

    take the full vehicle log book (V5C) from the seller (not just the new keeper slip)
    send the ‘permanent export’ section to DVLA
    find out how to register the vehicle in the country you’re taking it to

Thanks.
Still have an insurance issue. My insurance company (other here will work similar) doesn't accept a foreign licence number.
Must find one in uk that accepts a foreign customer.
 :112:
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: Admin on July 12, 2019, 10:20:06 AM
Must find one in uk that accepts a foreign customer.

You won't find one because UK law says you must have a permanent UK address to obtain any form of motoring insurance.

This is why exported vehicles are mainly transported on trailers when they leave the country.

I've previously used a company called Shiply (https://www.shiply.com/) which transport items around the country. There are companies on there that ship motorcycles, so maybe worth a look. I used them you transport a classic car from London to Scotland on a big transporter and it cost me £150. There's probably other companies out there as well who specialise in this sort of thing.

Something like that might be an idea and would probably be the same sort of cost.
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: Mobydick on July 12, 2019, 09:32:21 PM
*Originally Posted by Admin [+]
You won't find one because UK law says you must have a permanent UK address to obtain any form of motoring insurance.

This is why exported vehicles are mainly transported on trailers when they leave the country.

I've previously used a company called Shiply (https://www.shiply.com/) which transport items around the country. There are companies on there that ship motorcycles, so maybe worth a look. I used them you transport a classic car from London to Scotland on a big transporter and it cost me £150. There's probably other companies out there as well who specialise in this sort of thing.

Something like that might be an idea and would probably be the same sort of cost.

What a pity.
The return trip was half of the fun. 
Crossing biscay gulf on a ferry to Santander, then through Asturias and mountains "picos da Europa" (what a beautiful country) to north Portugal.

Well, still considering it, but must go before brexit.

Thanks for your help.

Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: Mobydick on August 23, 2019, 09:33:38 PM
Hi guys,
Well, now that'done.
After selling my 500x to a new rider some weeks ago, i was looking around and trying to ride and test the options available, to avoid a wrong choice.
Tryed The Africa Twin, loved it, tried F800gs adventure, loved it, sat on a new T7, crazy about it, could't test anyR1200gs, but sat on, a bit intimidating but loved it. At each one I started to feel that the 500x is still a better option (if it was't a lousy suspension).
But, as I do not have any bike at my garage (except 2 scooters), i finally bought a second hand Africa Twin, low milage, that I bought today in UK.
Can't wait until it arrives. I will need some miles to get used to and improove my skills.
I will retur here. This a great forum with good interaction. I learned a lot.

Thanks mates.

MD
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: ewryly on August 24, 2019, 11:47:34 AM
Definitely return with a review of your new bike once you get some miles on it. And good luck!
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: Mobydick on August 24, 2019, 07:15:17 PM
For sure, I will be back with my first impressions.
Can't  wait until it arrives.
 :047:
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: Mobydick on September 16, 2019, 10:55:25 PM
 :047:
Hi folks,
Finally my "new" Africa Twin arrived after 3 long weeks of waiting to the truck return.
Last Saturday I picked it up and did a short trip (35 km) back home, in Highway, cruising cautiously and paying attention to every sound, every reaction. Tyre pressure on the low side. O visit to gas station to fill up and inflate tires. Then, after lunch did another, longer trip, 55 km of highway, plus 15 km of local roads, with sections of stone bricks, slippery, steep descent, sections of well paved winding road (all this two way) and just a short 200 meters of gravel, hard packed with loose sand, within family property. It was enough for the first drop. :027:! not a scratch. The front wheel slept sideways on a small groove and didn't even tried to grab it. too heavy.

My first impressions, in a short report are:
The motor is more powerful, more brutal, but pleasant. It was not a factor to change. The 48hp of the 500 twin are enough for my ridind needs (at least for now).
The suspensions are far better, more comfortable, mode compliant, but may be too soft. Not yet tuned for my weight (100 kg with gear on). May be will need a new set of higher rated springs. Let's see.
The ergonomics are perfect for my 6´2", long legs.

For worst, its weight. It is definitely more heavier, especially on low speed handling. But I expected that, so no surprise. It will take some time to get confidence. The average fuel consumption is also noticeably higher. 1,5 to 2 litres more per 100km.

The "new" bike is a 16 registered standard AT, crash bars, heated grips, aux led lights, Scott oiler, centre stand, top box+panniers, and almost new Bridgestone Battlax Adventure A41 set of tires. It had 5800 miles when arrived and not a single scratch. As new.
I bought it in UK, at CMCbikes Coleshill. All he buying process was dealt by phone and email. Their service was so professional and confidence inspiring that I didn't travel to see the bike. Just transferred the cash and hired a truck to transport the bike home.
A big thanks to Martin Swingewood and Russ Curwood. They were super. Highly recommend them.

Well, for now its all. Later I will return with some more impressions. Now will tune it for me and ride a lot before the winter arrives.

Cheers. :080:
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: Mobydick on September 16, 2019, 11:34:40 PM
Some photos.

at the drop point...
(https://cdn.img.cb500x.com/AT2.jpg)

with my safety system
(https://cdn.img.cb500x.com/AT1.jpg)
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: woody on September 17, 2019, 07:07:04 AM
Glad your happy with the AT  :152: that is a nice colour combo  :307:

Are bikes that much cheaper in UK or just more choice here?
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: baldeagle on September 17, 2019, 08:24:13 AM
Yes,much cheaper here,of course there is always a but.
The re registration is quite complex and can be expensive.
You must have a Certificate of Conformity,I have imported a few for myself here from UK.
Then there are either agents fees,I don’t do it myself plus taxes.
However worth it as no MOT at present,insurance is cheap and just paid my road tax which was €19.53 for the year.
Residuals are really good hear and you never really see any bargains.
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: Mobydick on September 17, 2019, 08:31:59 AM
Thanks. It wasn't my first colour choice, but now it my favourite. (Its mine).
About the prices, yes, there is a lot more choice, specially low mileage examples. Our market is very scarse and low mileage one are advertised almost as new prices.
But it is true that there is also a price advantage in UK. The exceptionally weak £ was in favour too. Similar examples in germany are advertised around 1000€ higher. In Portugal around 1500 to 2000 higher. If you need to fly over, stay two nights, and pay the transport, finally the price difference fades.
After the Brexit it won't be any more an option because we will need to pay VAT to register.
Cheers.
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: Mobydick on September 17, 2019, 08:39:49 AM
*Originally Posted by baldeagle [+]
Yes,much cheaper here,of course there is always a but.
The re registration is quite complex and can be expensive.
You must have a Certificate of Conformity,I have imported a few for myself here from UK.
Then there are either agents fees,I don’t do it myself plus taxes.
However worth it as no MOT at present,insurance is cheap and just paid my road tax which was €19.53 for the year.
Residuals are really good hear and you never really see any bargains.

Bom dia, (good morning)
The import process is now quite simple indeed.
If you have the V5 document and the bike has a European homologation number, imt (our dvla) just confirm that. No cost.
Then you compete the customs form online, upload digitized copies of invoice, v5, cmr,etc, you pay the tax (isv) online, and the next day you have the licence plate.
Then you can insure it and fly over to collect the bike or hire a transport.

Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: baldeagle on September 17, 2019, 09:06:37 AM
Thank you for your reply,may try to do it myself for another time,I am just in the process of importing a 750 Guzzi from the Uk and although on my expensive Cof C,Hondas are free in the UK,there is a problem.
Although the CofC states everything Portugal needed there was no actual homologation number for this bike and year so the agent has asked them to deal with it,should be done this week.
To be honest it may not be for everyone but I fly back and then ride it home.
I enjoy a long trip on a new to me bike and think if all goes well helps the bonding process.It certainly did with my 500X,was amazed by the comfort,fuel consumption and general feel of the bike.
Thanks for the information.
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: CB500X on September 17, 2019, 09:44:54 AM
Topic moved to "On Two Wheels" board as content not really CB500X related.
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: Mobydick on February 01, 2020, 09:45:17 PM
Hi folks,
It is a long time since my last post here. As promised i still visit this forum and just want to update my experience with Africa Twin comparing it with the CB500x.
If you followed this thread you might remember that my motivation to sell the little 500x was ergonomics (couldn't ride comfortably standing) and its budget suspension.
Well, since September just rode about 1000 km in the AT. Meanwhile installed wider footpegs and a pair of Mitas E07 and a 2.5" raiser (Rox style).
Ergonomics is fabulous for my 6'2", offering a good riding position either sit or standing. Plenty of space on the seat, even with a pilion, its instruments very visible, and all commands easy to reach.

Riding on the road is super comfortable, like a flying carpet. The suspension may be a little for the soft, but good for my needs. On harsh roads is very compliant and reliable. On motorways I can ride at 150km/h more quiet than at 110 with the 500x. May be the longer wheelbase. On narrow winding roads is definitely less nimble than the 500.

The engine is more powerfull of course, more than I need. It seems a endless fountain.

For the worst, its weight is omnipresent. Just 30kg more, but it feels like twice heavier. Droped it three times, allways when maneuvering. If you let it incline just a Little more than the limit and there it goes to the ground.

About the tires, must say that I am very happy. A little noisier on the road but good grip. Very good on mud and gravel and expect a long life, over 15000km.

In conclusion,
-was it worth the swap?
YES, for sure.

-Today would I repeat the choice?
Not sure, may be Tenere 700 would be a wiser choice. I have tried it twice  and it feels as nimble as the 500x, if not more, and offers size and much better suspension.

Thanks folks. Ride safe.



Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: ewryly on February 01, 2020, 11:23:17 PM
Thanks for the update. Were you able to add the 2.5" bar risers without changing the cables?
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: Mobydick on February 02, 2020, 02:40:55 PM
Hi Ewryly,
No problem with cables. They are ok.
I mounted the raiser in the vertical, to keep the handlebar in the same vertical position. It might be tight if the handlebar is tilted backwards.
These raiser are cheap chinese copies of Rox Speed. I am just trying the position. If really works then I will order the real ones.

(https://cdn.img.cb500x.com/imagec1cbc8a5c60c1161.jpg)
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: HarrySeaward on February 08, 2020, 03:54:02 PM
Thank for coming back and providing an update. It sounds like you made a good choice, though this reason alone would force me personally to avoid the AT (and other large bikes).

*Originally Posted by Mobydick [+]
For the worst, its weight is omnipresent. Just 30kg more, but it feels like twice heavier. Droped it three times, allways when maneuvering. If you let it incline just a Little more than the limit and there it goes to the ground.
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: VA-CB500X on February 08, 2020, 05:22:19 PM
*Originally Posted by HarrySeaward [+]
Thank for coming back and providing an update. It sounds like you made a good choice, though this reason alone would force me personally to avoid the AT (and other large bikes).

Agreed.  Yesterday I was at the dealership “trying on” the CB500X.  Just for kicks I also threw a leg over the Africa Twin.  Holy cow.  It felt tremendously heavy and when the salesperson helped me get it upright, my feet literally dangled in the air. 

It is a beast.  But otherwise darn impressive.  I sure hope the rumored 700-800 Africa Twin is scaled down significantly in height and weight.
Title: Re: Sold my bike. And now?
Post by: Mobydick on February 08, 2020, 08:59:40 PM
Yes. if you are not 6' it might be intimidating. The first time I sat on, I didn't dare to ride, specially the AS. Some months later I test ride it, very carefully, taking no risks. Now, just 1000 km on, I feel more confident, enough to go off road (slowly), but the weight is there.

But, it is a question of technique, confidence and perseverance ( some drops too), we get there. Watch the videos of Jocelyn Snow riding the mighty R1250 gs. Easy is it?

About the (said )  AT  850 it would fill a gap that Honda has in its range, although Dealers denie. They must still sell the current 1100.

Best regards.