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Title: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Ntiksisos on January 21, 2020, 09:36:15 AM
Hello forum. I wish many and upright kilometers to everyone. I am between the yamaha tracer 700 2020 and the Honda cb500x 2019 I want to do  distances every weekend around 350 km. Which one would I prefer?Thank you very much
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: timur on January 21, 2020, 10:16:18 AM
Hello Ntiksisos! There is already a thread about Tracer 700 2020:

https://www.cb500x.com/index.php/topic,9029.0.html (https://www.cb500x.com/index.php/topic,9029.0.html)

Regards,

Timur
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: hilldweller on January 21, 2020, 10:23:17 AM
There is no answer to that. The only way is for you to ride both.

Problem is, because the Tracer is so much faster and looks evil, you would probably choose that but the 500X might be plenty fast enough for the real trips and it is a lot more economical on fuel.
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Ntiksisos on January 21, 2020, 10:31:52 AM
Certainly the tracer is faster. And beautiful.  Honda Is Better in Travel?
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Swanny on January 21, 2020, 10:55:51 AM
Hello Ntiksisos
I'm thinking the same as you. I've been swinging between the two but now am definitely looking at the Honda
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Ntiksisos on January 21, 2020, 11:11:00 AM
 Swanny. Why honda?
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: adman on January 21, 2020, 11:18:28 AM
I also stood between the choice of CBX and the Tracer 700. Both machines have their advantages, the Tracer has a great, more powerful motor, the better, but poorly controllable brakes. But the Honda has the better standard suspension, for my physique the better sitting position and in my eyes is the better overall package.
After testing both machines, I decided on the CBX. In the linked thread I wrote a detailed driving report for the Tracer 700.
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Ntiksisos on January 21, 2020, 11:41:33 AM
It's a big dilemma
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Swanny on January 21, 2020, 12:09:51 PM
*Originally Posted by Ntiksisos [+]
Swanny. Why honda?

I really like Hondas, I think their build quality is better. I really like the look of the new Tracer 700 but it's a lot more expensive than the CBX. My budget is about £5,000. I can get a brand new 2019 bike for just over that. The new Tracer is going to be another £2.000 on top
Value for money the Honda wins
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Ntiksisos on January 21, 2020, 12:55:36 PM
*Originally Posted by Swanny [+]
I really like Hondas, I think their build quality is better. I really like the look of the new Tracer 700 but it's a lot more expensive than the CBX. My budget is about £5,000. I can get a brand new 2019 bike for just over that. The new Tracer is going to be another £2.000 on top
Value for money the Honda wins
how much is cost the new 700?in euro
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Ntiksisos on January 21, 2020, 12:57:16 PM
*Originally Posted by adman [+]
I also stood between the choice of CBX and the Tracer 700. Both machines have their advantages, the Tracer has a great, more powerful motor, the better, but poorly controllable brakes. But the Honda has the better standard suspension, for my physique the better sitting position and in my eyes is the better overall package.
After testing both machines, I decided on the CBX. In the linked thread I wrote a detailed driving report for the Tracer 700.
ok but i talk for the new tracer not the old
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: timur on January 21, 2020, 02:17:25 PM
*Originally Posted by Ntiksisos [+]
ok but i talk for the new tracer not the old
New Tracer hasn't been released yet.
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Ntiksisos on January 21, 2020, 02:32:01 PM
*Originally Posted by timur [+]
New Tracer hasn't been released yet.
i know. The next month
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: LadyOfTwoLands on January 21, 2020, 02:41:50 PM
*Originally Posted by Ntiksisos [+]
how much is cost the new 700?in euro

Hi Ntiksisos, you have to check your local yamaha website, it will be different in each country. Here, the old Tracer i it is just below 9.000 euros.
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Ntiksisos on January 21, 2020, 02:47:05 PM
*Originally Posted by LadyOfTwoLands [+]
Hi Ntiksisos, you have to check your local yamaha website, it will be different in each country. Here, the old Tracer i it is just below 9.000 euros.
thanks. The old here cost 8290 euro
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Ntiksisos on January 21, 2020, 02:49:54 PM
The cb500x 2019. Can it travel comfortably on a 350km. double?
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: LadyOfTwoLands on January 21, 2020, 02:51:32 PM
*Originally Posted by Ntiksisos [+]
ok but i talk for the new tracer not the old

The new Tracer is not out yet, nobody will be able to tell you. The motor is the same, so what adman reports in the other thread is relevant. The seating position is unlikely to be changed, we'll have to see about the brakes and suspension. I had the XSR700 before the CBX, the motor is lively and stronger, it does not vibrate as much as the CB, but the throttle is jerky at lower speeds, in town I always had to feather the clutch. It also runs hot, I hated stopping at traffic lights in summer, the hot air from the motor would blow right on my legs. What kind of roads do you have? If a lot of highways, the 700 will be more comfortable at high speeds. If secondary roads, especially in bad condition, the CBX might be a better choice.


Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: LadyOfTwoLands on January 21, 2020, 03:02:42 PM
At first, my butt hurt from the seat but I got used to it quickly, now I am very comfortable. I have done around 400 km in one day, it was fine, but again, it depends on the roads, I was riding secondary and twisties, a lot of fun. Now, highway is another matter, 130-140 km/h can be done no problem, but I donít like doing long stretches on highways. The CB vibrates a bit more than the XSR700 did, and my hands hurt, especially the throttle hand. I installed the grip puppies and it is fine now, no problem on my hands. It depends on how and where you ride.
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: hilldweller on January 21, 2020, 03:10:47 PM
*Originally Posted by Ntiksisos [+]
Certainly the tracer is faster. And beautiful.  Honda Is Better in Travel?

I have visited Spain, France, Germany, Italy and the X does it well and I still have to watch speed limits. It happily cruises at 140/150 kph. It's a great pleasure in mountain hairpins. It will take me to Italy again in comfort and totally relaxed manner this year.

But it does not have the excitement of the 700 when opening the throttle and breaking speed limits.
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Ntiksisos on January 21, 2020, 03:11:35 PM
*Originally Posted by LadyOfTwoLands [+]
The new Tracer is not out yet, nobody will be able to tell you. The motor is the same, so what adman reports in the other thread is relevant. The seating position is unlikely to be changed, we'll have to see about the brakes and suspension. I had the XSR700 before the CBX, the motor is lively and stronger, it does not vibrate as much as the CB, but the throttle is jerky at lower speeds, in town I always had to feather the clutch. It also runs hot, I hated stopping at traffic lights in summer, the hot air from the motor would blow right on my legs. What kind of roads do you have? If a lot of highways, the 700 will be more comfortable at high speeds. If secondary roads, especially in bad condition, the CBX might be a better choice.
It's a matter of engine temperature in the city is an issue. I live in Greece. in Crete
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: hilldweller on January 21, 2020, 03:13:13 PM
*Originally Posted by Ntiksisos [+]
The cb500x 2019. Can it travel comfortably on a 350km. double?

Double ? You mean with pillion ?

If yes go for the Tracer.
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Ntiksisos on January 21, 2020, 03:16:41 PM
*Originally Posted by hilldweller [+]
I have visited Spain, France, Germany, Italy and the X does it well and I still have to watch speed limits. It happily cruises at 140/150 kph. It's a great pleasure in mountain hairpins. It will take me to Italy again in comfort and totally relaxed manner this year.

But it does not have the excitement of the 700 when opening the throttle and breaking speed limits.
niceee. Double??
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Ntiksisos on January 21, 2020, 03:18:59 PM
*Originally Posted by hilldweller [+]
Double ? You mean with pillion ?

If yes go for the Tracer.
i mean with two people
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Ntiksisos on January 21, 2020, 03:37:59 PM
*Originally Posted by hilldweller [+]
I have visited Spain, France, Germany, Italy and the X does it well and I still have to watch speed limits. It happily cruises at 140/150 kph. It's a great pleasure in mountain hairpins. It will take me to Italy again in comfort and totally relaxed manner this year.

But it does not have the excitement of the 700 when opening the throttle and breaking speed limits.
140/ 150 kilometers is much here because the road have radars
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Ntiksisos on January 21, 2020, 06:07:28 PM
With two people. 350km trip .Can't comfortable with cb500x 19?
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Applecorp on January 21, 2020, 06:28:55 PM
*Originally Posted by Ntiksisos [+]
i mean with two people

Pillion means passenger, so yes, two people.
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Ntiksisos on January 21, 2020, 07:11:57 PM
*Originally Posted by Applecorp [+]
Pillion means passenger, so yes, two people.
mr hildweller said he would be better with the tracer
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Applecorp on January 21, 2020, 07:39:22 PM
*Originally Posted by Ntiksisos [+]
mr hildweller said he would be better with the tracer

Better maybe but not necessarily good. If you're doing any sort of long distance riding I would not recommend the Tracer or Honda for two people.



Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Ntiksisos on January 21, 2020, 08:07:38 PM
*Originally Posted by Applecorp [+]
Better maybe but not necessarily good. If you're doing any sort of long distance riding I would not recommend the Tracer or Honda for two people.
Thanks. Why not?
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Swanny on January 22, 2020, 09:11:36 AM
*Originally Posted by Ntiksisos [+]
Thanks. Why not?
They are small bikes, you would be cramped with two of you on them
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: timur on January 22, 2020, 09:36:27 AM
In fact I never carry a pillion on my CB500X (did it 2 times in 2 years in short city trips). Too small bike for two persons - it's a torture riding in this way.
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Ntiksisos on January 22, 2020, 10:42:08 AM
*Originally Posted by timur [+]
In fact I never carry a pillion on my CB500X (did it 2 times in 2 years in short city trips). Too small bike for two persons - it's a torture riding in this way.
The problem is in the saddle or on the motor?
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: timur on January 22, 2020, 11:08:20 AM
*Originally Posted by Ntiksisos [+]
The problem is in the saddle or on the motor?
For me it's everything - engine, suspensions, saddle, etc. It works fine when ridden alone but with a pillion I found it depressing. I mean - you can ride it with a pillion but it's not very comfortable IMO.

However I'm extremely selfish with my bikes - it's my toy and don't like to share it with anyone :153:
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Ntiksisos on January 22, 2020, 11:44:51 AM
*Originally Posted by timur [+]
For me it's everything - engine, suspensions, saddle, etc. It works fine when ridden alone but with a pillion I found it depressing. I mean - you can ride it with a pillion but it's not very comfortable IMO.

However I'm extremely selfish with my bikes - it's my toy and don't like to share it with anyone :153:
That is, the engine with two people. Is it weak?
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: timur on January 22, 2020, 12:14:31 PM
*Originally Posted by Ntiksisos [+]
That is, the engine with two people. Is it weak?
Why don't you use the Search option? All this questions are already answered and discussed. You have tons of opinions and reviews in Internet regarding CB500X 2019. This thread has less and less sense  :138: I'm out of here.
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Swanny on January 22, 2020, 01:35:47 PM
*Originally Posted by Ntiksisos [+]
That is, the engine with two people. Is it weak?

It only has 47bhp and 471cc
It's not a power house  :155:
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: hilldweller on January 22, 2020, 05:11:48 PM
*Originally Posted by Ntiksisos [+]
That is, the engine with two people. Is it weak?

It's just adequate for one person, anywhere hilly, with two, you would be for ever changing gear.

I've always thought 750cc was a good size for two, my VFR750 was brilliant when we toured Europe. But a modern 700cc will be as good as that old VFR750 I would think.

Have they launched a 700 GT version of the new one yet ? You might get a really good deal on the old model 700 GT. I doubt when you are riding it the new would be much better.
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: adman on January 22, 2020, 07:28:32 PM
When traveling with a passenger, not only the pure performance is decisive, but also the torque curve, especially in the lower engine speeds. The better an engine works here, the more comfortable it is to drive a motorcycle in pairs.
I had no problems with my VFR, you only noticed when you braked hard that someone was sitting in the back.
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Ntiksisos on January 22, 2020, 08:08:11 PM
*Originally Posted by adman [+]
When traveling with a passenger, not only the pure performance is decisive, but also the torque curve, especially in the lower engine speeds. The better an engine works here, the more comfortable it is to drive a motorcycle in pairs.
I had no problems with my VFR, you only noticed when you braked hard that someone was sitting in the back.
It is Correct
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Ntiksisos on January 22, 2020, 08:09:34 PM
*Originally Posted by hilldweller [+]
It's just adequate for one person, anywhere hilly, with two, you would be for ever changing gear.

I've always thought 750cc was a good size for two, my VFR750 was brilliant when we toured Europe. But a modern 700cc will be as good as that old VFR750 I would think.

Have they launched a 700 GT version of the new one yet ? You might get a really good deal on the old model 700 GT. I doubt when you are riding it the new would be much better.
nice thanks mr
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: harryhendo on January 22, 2020, 11:59:44 PM

We're getting so spoiled...
(https://cdn.img.cb500x.com/bikes-of-burden-hans-kemp-no-vietna-2.jpg)
and they're on a 150cc honda
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: AJC500 on January 23, 2020, 05:39:37 AM
*Originally Posted by harryhendo [+]
We're getting so spoiled.......

Definitely - the X has the same, or more, bhp than the original 60's Bonneville and that rocker's favourite, the BSA Gold Star, and plenty of them were ridden 2-up!!   :001:
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Ntiksisos on January 23, 2020, 09:37:11 AM
It's so the  Difficult the 350km travel.Especially with pillion.. Pity. I am disappointed
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: harryhendo on January 23, 2020, 04:51:26 PM
*Originally Posted by AJC500 [+]
Definitely - the X has the same, or more, bhp than the original 60's Bonneville and that rocker's favourite, the BSA Gold Star, and plenty of them were ridden 2-up!!   :001:
Having ridden a CB360 from Pittsburgh, PA to Daytona Beach, FL on Spring Break in 1978, with my girlfriend and her dog riding pillion, I can attest to my total lack of responsibility or common sense, but also to the fact that we got there and back and had a total BLAST doing it!!!!  :305:
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Neox on January 23, 2020, 09:24:09 PM
*Originally Posted by Ntiksisos [+]
That is, the engine with two people. Is it weak?
It's just a question of time. The time you have.
Some people travel around the world, two riders on an enfield bullet, only 27 bhp. Make the road at 60 km/h, stay behind trucks and ride only on secondary roads.
The traveling time is longer, but different. The vision is different.

If you have less time, a most powerful bike is a better choice. You can ride at 80 or 100 km/h, and don't have to stay behind trucks. And you don't loose too much speed with passenger and luggages. You can ride on highway too if it's necessary.
And bigger bike it's bigger place for luggages.

If the passenger love to be afraid, take a big bad sportbike :008:!
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: fatal on January 23, 2020, 09:47:13 PM
Less power means just readjusting your expectations a little. I started touring the French and Italian alps back in 1980 two up with camping gear on a Honda CX500. The only time I wished I had another 20bhp was on some of the very steep mountain passes, but it wasn't that big a deal in the scheme of things.
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Swanny on January 24, 2020, 09:15:27 AM
*Originally Posted by fatal [+]
Less power means just readjusting your expectations a little. I started touring the French and Italian alps back in 1980 two up with camping gear on a Honda CX500. The only time I wished I had another 20bhp was on some of the very steep mountain passes, but it wasn't that big a deal in the scheme of things.

Same power as the CB500X
Honda CX500
Claimed power: 48hp @ 9,000rpm

I used to have the CX500C a long time ago and would take my GF on the back, power was fine  :305:

***EDIT***


Actually thinking about it I've had a few 500's all the same sort of power

Honda CX500
Kawasaki Zephyr 550
Kawasaki KLE500
And I still have a 1976 XT500

I used to take the ex on the back of the Zephyr no problem.
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: hilldweller on January 24, 2020, 12:06:02 PM
*Originally Posted by Swanny [+]
I used to take the ex on the back of the Zephyr no problem.

I guess you used position 179, you must have been very athletic.
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Swanny on January 24, 2020, 08:09:03 PM
  :745:

She was very flexible  :032:
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Ntiksisos on January 24, 2020, 08:58:22 PM
Between kawasaki versys 300 and honda cb500x 2019 . which is better. and why
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Neox on January 24, 2020, 09:10:36 PM
The versys's engine only work at 9000 tr/mn...
Nothing under. Indians riders say: boring like a cricket match under 9000 :001:.
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Ntiksisos on January 24, 2020, 09:13:52 PM
*Originally Posted by Neox [+]
The versys's engine only work at 9000 tr/mn...
Nothing under. Indians riders say: boring like a cricket match under 9000 :001:.
Boring under 9000 compared to cb500x?
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Neox on January 24, 2020, 09:45:41 PM
*Originally Posted by Ntiksisos [+]
Boring under 9000 compared to cb500x?
Compared to everything you can see with two wheels on the road...

Small engine with lots of power need to be always at high revs, good for sport and fun during the solo sunday ride, but unpleasant for travel, and bad with a passenger and luggage...
But everything is possible, a man ride around the world even in desert sand with a yamaha R1. It's not the best bike for that, but the guy was in love with this bike.


What's your motorbike pleasure, you? Perhaps no pleasure, only want a tool?
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Ntiksisos on January 24, 2020, 09:59:15 PM
*Originally Posted by Neox [+]
Compared to everything you can see with two wheels on the road...

Small engine with lots of power need to be always at high revs, good for sport and fun during the solo sunday ride, but unpleasant for travel, and bad with a passenger and luggage...
But everything is possible, a man ride around the world even in desert sand with a yamaha R1. It's not the best bike for that, but the guy was in love with this bike.


What's your motorbike pleasure, you? Perhaps no pleasure, only want a tool?
That is, Honda is better?
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Neox on January 24, 2020, 10:19:16 PM
Better for what?
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: hilldweller on January 24, 2020, 11:43:23 PM
*Originally Posted by Ntiksisos [+]
Between kawasaki versys 300 and honda cb500x 2019 . which is better. and why

Dead easy - the Honda.

Why, 300cc has to scream it's nuts off to develop any power. That is hard work and very tiresome on a motorway. Naturally if you use higher revs there is more wear on the engine.

The X, for it's size, has a silly amount of power/torque low down. That makes it very relaxing to ride.

Basically to generate power you burn fuel. So for every bang the 300 burns only two thirds as much fuel as the X.
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: MacDoc on January 25, 2020, 12:47:39 AM
Yup ....buzzing along at 7k rpm and getting poor fuel mileage...what's the point..500 wins.

400/450- version of the Kawi. ..now we've got a showdown.

The 500 has range and the shocker for me superb stability at 130+.

Sure I loved the thrill of winding out the CBF1000 I had before but it never did pass a fuel stop without flirting, short range and oddly in the 130 range was less stable than the 500. Of course the top end was way up and I never saw what it would do at track speeds ...but I took the 500 cross country at age 72. Sure I did some 3k trips on the CBF1000 and loved the power on the slab...but the 500 would go further on fuel and was more stable.

I'd never conside taking the 300 on a trip like that.
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I was impressed with the 500 when I first demo'd it in 2013 tho it needed a bit in the suspension then  ....the 2018 CB500x I bought was the first new bike in 55 years of riding and it's a keeper. :152:
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Ntiksisos on January 25, 2020, 04:29:07 AM
*Originally Posted by MacDoc [+]
Yup ....buzzing along at 7k rpm and getting poor fuel mileage...what's the point..500 wins.

400/450- version of the Kawi. ..now we've got a showdown.

The 500 has range and the shocker for me superb stability at 130+.

Sure I loved the thrill of winding out the CBF1000 I had before but it never did pass a fuel stop without flirting, short range and oddly in the 130 range was less stable than the 500. Of course the top end was way up and I never saw what it would do at track speeds ...but I took the 500 cross country at age 72. Sure I did some 3k trips on the CBF1000 and loved the power on the slab...but the 500 would go further on fuel and was more stable.

I'd never conside taking the 300 on a trip like that.
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=ssl:lh3.googleusercontent.com/Tja5k8QHRH2ETvnfLCDp_8APALkrmTjvluV1IuuzMRv7pQAeQHFAUlhlB4vYgii3IgzA0IyY39hk1a0p7YUsQZT18mKs-hUaUNdlXcV83DegL9S7jeqPUF78mbnfxPPBRky2exL2dTz0AIcK2-jqz7WPquOQAGsl3a4n373elGrff5nQ4-IwJK-l0e8BMFyKiIHw0uXtFIOECX3ukWNYWj61orwYvh78LojdD9133gKgdB4fqup_VW2V-cmgzrQb_voRuVv2XJEHpGq1RBYifkAB8yB91vh2IGN0ms0jGmW-BbRVOUjs5j1qeJoCsngYVXZ8VqtXNQHhd1UD7KsNQSTnzXQG5Q3roVvKYybU4CLIILhpC5BxhjoMZxsfgzAO0Htg_eMUyepyHjJVVio7jm_k8g1ubG00IX6PAFPzjoP-EMdn0HKeH0oj7L8QAJBCbPgeOKlq5A8l8bRBsnGYeqgqtv_UZ8x2iFy_7mbq3L-e9FlFst9EkWyedNdt6ZQIgrGUqwUnGQNr5lBEQfhtzVE8ewcL_KyNzBjCt_iT28TgkAcvkMi4hUhVGoSOGK8bYcohhAsvkm-2alBmyyuc7jbJ6r4xkAUksu-ATC0ZvpMM0ZQ4_e_cRIvriJvJAlXhKRYuvW9VvN_nNbTGe4SGoKB3owsS1-IoQoZrk-Hb9jIAFbr06EyKhpPg9UAywVewYPEBxtk0F6hkU76nackmdQaxjnNKxVt1zOSb6GxaliCgBRru=w978-h964-no)
I was impressed with the 500 when I first demo'd it in 2013 tho it needed a bit in the suspension then  ....the 2018 CB500x I bought was the first new bike in 55 years of riding and it's a keeper. :152:
Have you driven the kawasaki versys 300?
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: MacDoc on January 25, 2020, 06:45:58 AM
I have not but have had extensive discussion with one who has one kitted out nicely
https://www.stromtrooper.com/threads/kawsasaki-versys-x-300-ride-report.377401/#post-4733361

and another who is a fan tho not owning it.

I would consider one for my use in Australia which has an off pavement component and no touring.

I would take the BMW310 as a replacement for my KLR650 there. A Honda CBR400 in line four with VTEC I'd certainly own as well there.
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Wedgetail on January 25, 2020, 07:17:06 AM
Hi Ntiksisos

A friend of mine has a KLE300 Versys. We've ridden together quite a bit and his bike goes everywhere mine does and never has any trouble keeping up. I've ridden it on a few occasions and never once have I regretted swapping back to my 2019 CB500X.

 While the Kawasaki has a 20kg weight advantage over the Honda (when carrying the same amount of fuel), I noticed no practical advantage, indeed the Honda simply carries it's weight better, feels to have a lower C.O.G. for low speed manouvering and is much more stable and "planted" feeling in a range of conditions.

The Kawasaki has a lower seat height of 815mm to the Honda's 830 but it's difficult to imagine that being of much advantage to any but a few.

 The Versys comes standard with wire wheels. Personally I see no advantage in wire spoke rims. We do a lot of our riding on gravel roads and a reasonable amount on rougher stuff. Personally I feel a lot more comfortable with the idea of tubeless repair in the sun on the side of the road and will happily forgo the opportunity to remove a wheel and replace or repair a tube in similar conditions. I've ridden a few bikes with cast wheels in different terrain and have yet to suffer any wheel damage. If I ever do happen to hit a big rock and dent a rim, I know that (in Australia at least) I can buy a new wheel from Honda for probably less than the cost of repairs to a spoked rim.

The Kawasaki is a tried and true engine, well known for good reliable service. It's also a revver. At any given speed in top gear it's doing 45% more revs than the Honda. I don't know what the torque figure is because it's not worth looking up but basically, compared to the nice torquey feel of the Honda, the Kawasaki just has none. It goes well for 300cc but (I hope my mate doesn't read this!) it feels like a nasty little buzz-box compared to the 500X.

The Honda is a lot more comfortable.

The Kawasaki is cheaper.

If I was looking for a smaller, lighter bike in this vein I'd buy a G310GS before a 300 Versys  but neither of them are a patch on the CB500X.   

         
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Applecorp on January 25, 2020, 08:40:23 PM
For Christs sake, just buy a 500X, it's a great all round bike with superb fuel economy. Honestly I think it's the best bike you can get in terms of quality, performance and value for money.

Want something more powerful which is better for two people, spend more money.
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Neox on January 25, 2020, 10:05:46 PM
I find the 500X very pleasant at mid-rev, a little unusual with this displacement.
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: MacDoc on January 25, 2020, 10:31:35 PM
Likely the heritage of that brilliant motor which shares a lot of tech with the 1000 series. Saw an article on it but can't find it.
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Ntiksisos on January 26, 2020, 12:20:56 PM
Thank you very much. That is, between the cb500x 2019 and the yamaha tracer 700 2020. Which one to   i choose
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Neox on January 26, 2020, 12:45:04 PM
500X for solo, tracer for duo.
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Susi_X on January 26, 2020, 01:04:37 PM
*Originally Posted by Applecorp [+]
For Christs sake, just buy a 500X
:745:  :152:

OMG, come on, judge by yourself, make up your mind and stop asking others!!!
 :157: :138:
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Ntiksisos on January 26, 2020, 01:14:31 PM
*Originally Posted by Susi_X [+]
:745:  :152:

OMG, come on, judge by yourself, make up your mind and stop asking others!!!
 :157: :138:
I think that's why there is a forum.If you have a problem with that. Don't answer at all
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: timur on January 26, 2020, 01:50:54 PM
*Originally Posted by Susi_X [+]
:745:  :152:

OMG, come on, judge by yourself, make up your mind and stop asking others!!!
 :157: :138:
+1000
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: timur on January 26, 2020, 01:58:53 PM
*Originally Posted by Ntiksisos [+]
I think that's why there is a forum.If you have a problem with that. Don't answer at all
If you want an elaborated answer you should make elaborated questions. "What bike is better?" - what question is this? Better for Isle of Man TT, better for commuting, dirt riding, adventuring, touring? There is a lot of good bikes there - just define what you looks for and buy it.
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: AJC500 on January 26, 2020, 08:24:28 PM
*Originally Posted by Ntiksisos [+]
I think that's why there is a forum.If you have a problem with that. Don't answer at all

Yeah - we're just talking bikes here - what's wrong with that?  :009:
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Erik on January 30, 2020, 05:43:18 PM
Let me give you my experience - I have a CB500x since the beginning of 2016 and I was thinking about a new bike after the end of the third season (autumn 2018). Not so much because I was missing something -  more to have slightly more "serious" bike and a few more HP. On paper Tracer 700 was perfect - the same weight, similar measurements. I went on a test ride with intention to purchase my new toy.

After the test ride I was a bit disappointed  :161:- not because the bike wouldn't be good, far from it, but because I expected the bike would be better in every way then CBX. The "problem" is, CBX is too good or rather said, Tracer is not so much better.

For my notes I wrote down - Pros: 
- the engine is much more powerfull (acceleration), It accelerate at every speed,
- the position on the bike is almost the same as on CBX - maybe elbows a little more bent and hands in a little lower position,
- I really like the front mask with dual symmetrical lights (btw, I dont like the look of a new Tracer),
- wider rear tire
Cons:
- engine sound is very scooter  :151: - it bothers me very much, first thing is to change exaust,
- motor protection vibrates and feels a little bit on the levers - not too distracting,
- wind protection is very similar as CBX (maybe a bit worse at higher speeds) and is better to be set on lowest position, the visor on the highest position is shaking a bit helmet that I don't like,
- the wind starts to feel at speeds above 130 km / h, above 140-150 it is already very much on the limit,
- there is less space under the seat,
- plastic tank,
- the last shock absorber is not adjustable,
- seat "comfort" is something like CBX

My conclusion:
the difference was not so big to justify replacement or:
- if you will ride with a pillion, Tracer is definitely better pick,
- if you are buying a bike and you don't have bike (CBX) yet -  :084:, buy Tracer  :046:
- If you already have CBX and you will more or less ride one up - keep it  :152:

Don't let a pub buy you a bike (or a forum), buy what suits you and don't bother with opinion of others. Make your own choice since you also (probably) didn't ask others, when you were chosing your wife/girl friend, if she was good.

Erik
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: timur on February 06, 2020, 06:40:21 PM
Tested today Tenere 700 and definitely I'm in love. Sweet and torquey engine, relaxed riding position, precise gearshifting. I'm 175cm and 65kg and was worried about Tenere seat height but there wasn't any problem with it. Very nimble and flickable bike and superb stability on high speed.

Also tried to found some issue with engine jerkiness but again - found it silky smooth even at 1st gear in dense traffic jam. And zero vibrations on highway - just a bit of low frequency throb. It haven't this buzzing feeling that annoys me on my CBX when I travel.

Gearbox - liked it too. It's precise and IMHO gear ratios are perfect for this bike - they are quite close one to another. It's very easy to mantain optimum engine RPMs at any speed.

The unique thing that didn't liked is the suspension but I think some tweaking with adjustments would improve it - seems like too much rebound and compression damping there for my taste. And if it doesn't help there is a lot of aftermarket options.

Also found bit more wind blast comparing to my bike but I suppose it has easy fix - Puig deflector or something similar. And the dashboard vibrates a bit...

I think Tenere would make me happy for many years - felt sad when returned it to the dealer. Very friendly machine despite its appearance.
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: timur on February 27, 2020, 08:48:06 AM
Tracer 700 2020 for 8600 euros in Spain :082: I was saving money for Tenere but 8600 is fairly good price IMO for this bike.
Title: Re: Honda cb500x 2019 vs yamaha tracer 700 2020
Post by: Applecorp on February 28, 2020, 05:22:27 AM
Looks good.