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CB500X - General Chat / Re: Thumb brake
« on: January 20, 2021, 08:56:40 PM »
*Originally Posted by Merry Miner [+]
Thanks for replies, the braking system is linked front and back to the abs pump?Which is controlled through sensors on the wheels via an ecu.I was particular interested in hopefully cotacting someone who has carried out fitting a thumb brake. :763:

The front and rear master cylinders pressurise fluid prior and independently to the ABS pump, which in turn regulates the ongoing pressure of the fluid to the callipers - so as Sweeper suggests above, there should be no reason you can't simple replace the original rear brake pedal and master cylinder that you're not using with a hand/thumb operated lever on one or other side of the handle bars - using a similar set-up to a race or enduro* bike.

*It's worth noting that some people who fit a Recluse centrifugal clutch go on to replace the whole clutch lever assembly with a full-size left-hand brake lever - however, I'm sure you could also also use some sort of hydraulic thumb lever or similar shorty brake lever on the left bar along with the conventional cable clutch lever.


Jx

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Tyres and Wheels / Re: tires dimensions
« on: January 20, 2021, 08:32:23 PM »
*Originally Posted by o_ben [+]
Hey Jenny,

Thank you for the quick & clear answer and your advice on the TKC. I'm reassured now as to find a more offroady tire, even if that one does not fit the EOM.

I'm trying to understand further

what I understand form you answer is that I can go for any width/aspect ratio I want really as long as the wheel dimension is respected?

For instance, still with the TKC 80, if that's possible, what will it change to choose a

130/80 R17

over a

180/55 R17

is it recommended as well?

thanks again

Hi O_Ben - not exactly... there is a degree of leeway when using different width tyres on a particular rim size (if you consider even a 120 width [measured in mm] dirt bike tyre is essentially 5" wide, and that would go on typically a 2.15" rim) - however, when you are talking about tyres designed for stable grip and handling both on and off road - and especially on-road where speeds are typically much higher, then the tyre manufacturer will usually provide a list/table of which size tyres are designed to fit which rim widths (a range of typically half an inch of leeway either side of optimum), and generally speaking you should not deviate from those recommendations, if only from a liability/safety point of view.

To give you a more practical/relatable example - with regard to the Honda CB500X - the stock cast rear wheel is 4" wide. This is suitable for a 160 width tyre, and also a 150 width tyre - ie. you can fit a wide range of street orientated tyres (which typically come in 160/60 size) or more open tread all-terrain tyres which are more commonly and widely available in a 150/70 size.

Much beyond these sizes and you might find the overall profile of the tyre is no longer optimal - for example, a 170 (and certainly a 180!) width tyre will start to be pinched on what is a relatively narrow rim for a street bike (note a high performance road bike running a 180 rear tyre would have at least a 5" if not a 5.5" rim for that size tyre) - so the profile of the fatter/wider tyre would more round than might be ideal (although I'd add that a number of people have fitted a 170/60 width rear tyre to the stock cast wheels, and it does technically fit - just be aware that the larger the tyre you fit, the more weight you'll add too - particularly when doubled with a deeper more aggressive tread design - and the more rotational mass you have will affect your performance and fuel economy detrimentally)...

Conversely, trying to fit a more narrow 140 or 130 width 'all terrain' tyre to the stock rim width will start to stretch the tyre between the beads, making the sidewalls straighter and again affecting the profile of the tread portion of the tyre... it will also expose the relatively wide wheel rim to more damage if you were to ride the bike in rocky off-road conditions for example.

So in simple terms, with bikes like this you can usually go up or down one tyre size without anything untoward happening - so from 160/60 you could choose a 170/60 road tyre, or a 150/70 more off-road orientated tyre... however, do keep in mind what I said originally that the nominal tyre size is based on the carcass dimensions, and if you fitted a 170/60 size tyre with a more aggressive all terrain tread, the overall size (and particularly weight) would be significantly more than the road tyre you are replacing - so if more all-terrain performance is what you desire, a 150/70 size tyre is the one to go for, and what is most widely available from pretty much every tyre manufacturer.

Hope that clarifies things!

Jenny x





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Tyres and Wheels / Re: tires dimensions
« on: January 19, 2021, 03:20:58 PM »
Hi O_Ben - welcome to the forum!

Regarding tyre sizes, the numbers primarily refer the carcass size, as treads [depth and pattern] can differ considerably as you surmise.

160/60 x17 is a typical road/street tyre size for a mid-size motorcycle these days - if you are looking for a more open/aggressive tread 'all-terrain' tyre, the closest equivalent would be a 150/70 x17 - and almost every tyre manufacturer makes their all-terrain tread tyres in this size.

Note that a 150/70 aspect ratio is slightly taller than the 160/60, but when you allow for the more chunky tread, the overall width is similar so as not to matter. They will fit on your stock rear wheel just fine.

Hope that helps!

Jenny x


ps. The Continental TKC80 is an excellent tyre on these bikes - still very good grip on the road for such an open tread, but much better off-road. That is what I always recommend if mixed terrain riding is your goal.

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Rally Raid / Re: 2019 model [specific] Scorpion Serket Taper exhaust
« on: January 14, 2021, 04:01:01 PM »
*Originally Posted by Traks [+]
Does this exhaust allow enough clearance to use a basic paddock stand on the swinging arm? The standard ones doesnít allow enough clearance.

Hi Traks - yes it does (I've used a paddock stand on various CBs with this exhaust before) - however, the issue is more that there is not a lot of space between the sprocket and swing-arm and the brake calliper bracket on the other side if you're using a universal style paddock stand with U shaped cup to cradle the swing-arm (rather than a bobbin design with forks). You can do it, but you have to pay attention to where the cups sit under the swing arm.

The exhaust though is not an issue at all.

Hope that clarifies things!

Jenny x

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Rally Raid / Re: Rear shock installation problem
« on: January 13, 2021, 05:54:27 AM »
Hi Bartay - it appears in your third photo you've got the shock the wrong way round... the hose for the damper reservoir should exit at the 1 O'clock position and route backwards to position the reservoir above the right passenger footrest on the supplied bracket.

The preload adjuster hose then routes forward on the left side of the bike through the frame to mount on the [supplied] bracket above the stator/starter gear cover.

Hope that helps...

Jx

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CB500X - General Chat / Re: On the verge of buying a cb500x
« on: January 10, 2021, 07:02:20 PM »
*Originally Posted by motorboy [+]
By reading the road tests on the new version of the 500X and using apple to apple (same magazine same dyno)it seems the bike lost up to five HP -now at 42.5 RWHP -over the old version and is more inline with the 500 Rebel-not that I care just curious why

The 47hp figure has always been at the crank - if someone measured it at the wheel it's inevitably lower, but the CB500X has not reduced in maximum power output during it's life - the CMX (Rebel) has a different tune for more torque at the expense of bhp.

With regard to the OPs initial question, technically the CB500X is 188cc smaller than the XT660 engine, but produces approximately the same maximum bhp, and the bikes are similar in weight so you're going to have similar overall 'performance'.

The XT660 is a nice engine (I had one of the first the XT660Z Tenere's back in 2008) - smooth and refined and economic for a large capacity thumper. It also had a fair bit more potential if you do a few mods to it - making it far more lively, but at the expense of quite a dramatic drop in fuel economy.

Equally though, having bought a CB500X in 2015, that twin is a gem of an engine - even more smooth, refined and economic - and if you're primarily riding on the road in the UK, more than a worthy replacement if you like the other attributes of the CB500X.

Hope that helps...

Jx


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Tyres and Wheels / Re: Rally Raid Wheel Bearings
« on: January 07, 2021, 06:06:08 PM »
Hi Bartray - as other people have said, the wheels come ready to fit (I can't recall any new wheels that don't come with bearings already fitted).

For info. the current Rally-Raid wheels use the OEM size bearings, so replacements are easy to source at any Honda dealer (or aftermarket if you prefer - although Honda OEM bearings are high quality Japanese ones, so you might as well stick with them).

Note that in the original video from 2015 when Blancolirio fitted his kit, he had the earlier front hub which used 'oversize' 27mm/KTM pattern wheelbearings - but that initial spec was revised when Rally-Raid redesigned their own front hub and slimmed down the disc spider design.

If you go to the Rally-Raid website, under the respective product there is a fitting instruction PDF and more recently a video (made by Adam from RR and Greg from Adventure Spec) of the fitting procedure.

Do pay attention to the step on the rear wheel instructions that you need to remove the rubber O-ring from around the centre post of the OEM hub which the sprocket carrier fits over, and install it on the RR wheel before you refit the cush drive assembly - some people forget to do that.

It really is very straight forward swapping like for like.

Jenny x

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Rally Raid / Re: Will there be a U.S. supplier in the near future?
« on: January 04, 2021, 08:01:08 PM »
*Originally Posted by ncroadtoad [+]
Yeah, you are right of course Jenny, nobody in this chain is price gouging, except possibly the shipping companies. Call me a skeptic, but the pandemic has been a god-send for them. If you want it, you'll pay what you have to, especially with companies that have no storefront - and no real competition.

I think the idea, a fanciful one I admit, and one that I have no expertise in, is that if Rally Raid had a U.S. distributor it might increase their sales here. Some people find comfort in dealing with a company in your own country. No international monetary issues, no VAT worries (I know we're exempt), increasingly common "free" shipping, easy returns, talking to people more or less in the same time zone, etc. I know, there is no such thing as "free" shipping, but people in general dislike being nickeled and dimed on purchases. "Free shipping" works, the market is proving it.

Six years ago when I stumbled upon the first CB500X I had ever seen I was on a cross-country ride in San Antonio, Texas stopping at the local metric dealer to get tires. There was this cool little bike on the floor, really unlike any one I'd seen before. When I asked the salesman about it, he said, condescendingly, it's little beginner bike from Honda, to small for you, we don't sell very many.

Time passes and four years ago I asked a local, high volume internet dealer why they didn't stock any CB500X's. I was told that nobody would buy them, beginner bikes, no interest, the last one sat on the floor for a year.

Change is slow in America. First it had to be Milwaukee iron to be a real motorcycle, then (and now to a degree) it had to be an exotic European, high tech, 145hp, tech laden beast to be a real Adventure bike.

In the last couple years the Milwaukee iron guys are aging out, many of the techno adventurers have realized that they probably won't actually ride their 800lb, Touratech laden, satellite guided, $25,000 motorcycles around the world. Profiling at Starbucks and their mutual admiration gatherings will have to suffice. That's a bit harsh, and a little tongue in cheek, sorry if it offended anyone.

Present day, Americans are catching up with the rest of the world and realizing that you don't need 1200cc to go from point A to B. Old riders are getting tired of the weight and complexity of modern bikes, new riders don't want to drop $15,000+ on a motorcycle and more and more riders are discovering the lure of dirt and gravel road travel. Now days you still have trouble finding a CB500X at most dealers, but that's because they sell all they can get. Nice, clean, low mileage used ones sell quickly and because the bike is so much fun to ride and cost so little, riders, as they always do, want to farkle it out. Which brings us to Rally Raid.

It would just be nice to be able to go to Revzilla (just using them, it could be anybody) find the part you want, click buy, pay some tax and have it in a couple days. Unrealistic, yea probably, but it would be nice. And a shipping container full of bits and parts shipped by sea would certainly cost less than dozens of individual boxes air freighted. Maybe that savings, even with distributor mark up, could be passed on and even more new CB5X owners would be encouraged to experience the Rally Raid difference - which turns these really nice little machines into marvelous do it all motorcycles. 

Sorry for the long-winded smoke session, buy my neck hurts and I can't ride  :001:
Cheers and Happy New Year


Hi Toad' - I agree with much of what you've said there (and apologise for quoting a long post in it's entirety) - particularly with regard to domestic and international shipping now I live here in the US too - goodness knows it costs a lot to get large heavy items from one side of the country to the other, as much as international shipping in a lot of instances... which is something I never fully appreciated when living in the UK - when you could get anything from one side of the country in a van overnight if required!

The problem you're always going to have with a [small, bespoke] company like Rally-Raid Products is the economy of scale - while the name/branding is arguably the most recognisable of all the CB500X related aftermarket manufacturers - this is not due to the volume of their manufacturing capability, but rather because they fundamentally specialised in that model, which in turn helped to boost the [basic] model's profile amongst existing owners (on platforms like this and other forums) and in turn the wider Adventure riding community - leading to Honda themselves evolving the bike in 2019 and subsequently a lot more 3rd party accessory manufacturers finally taking notice of the bike - as you've surmised...

However - and this is something those new to the bike and/or less familiar with Rally-Raid as a company may not fully appreciate - Rally-Raid Products is still a small family run business, designing and manufacturing what are quite labour intensive parts in small batches (and for only a few select models) - so unfortunately they really don't have the output that would allow a huge mail-order company like Revzilla to stock product for direct US dispatch in the same way as either domestic manufacturers or mass produced (Givi etc.) luggage companies can supply...

Indeed, one of the regular criticisms/observations is that some of the core Rally-Raid products - their spoked wheels for example - almost always have to be built to order... and trust me I'm sure John would love to be able to sell more, and from stock, but due to the multiple stages of machining and assembly (not least if you want the factory tubeless option), the demand continues to outstrip supply in most instances. Sometimes you get lucky an there is a set or two from a particular build batch which are unaccounted for initially and can be added to the web-shop - but almost always those sell immediately, and the system has to revert to the built-to-order process, which as you might imagine is not something most importers, and certainly not a huge distributor like Revzilla are going to want to entertain unfortunately.

fwiw. John and I have talked in the past about me setting up a small west-coast operation here - supplying and fitting kits to customer bikes - but again, as you might well begin to appreciate, while we all know the CB500X is the best damn adventure bike ever made for the real world (ahem), a niche within a niche within a niche does not necessarily translate into a viable business model unfortunately... particularly in these troubled times.

Sorry I can't be more positive than that, but at least I hope it helps to explain the current situation with regard to Rally-Raid Products decision to continue to sell direct to customers worldwide, and trust that the more personal approach you get with dealing direct translates into an ultimately more rewarding experience and certainly with regard to any subsequent customer service.

Jenny x

ps. the above is my personal perspective on the situation and I've replied because John is a good friend of mine - I have no commercial interest in Rally-Raid Products.









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Rally Raid / Re: Will there be a U.S. supplier in the near future?
« on: January 04, 2021, 04:53:01 PM »
This question comes up from time to time, and the answer doesn't change - namely, that if you buy a product that is manufactured abroad, you have to get it to the retail location somehow - and pay any associated shipping and tax/customs costs associated with that international transaction.

Whether you do that yourself, or an importer decides to do it, those specific costs are the same - and while an importer [business] might well be able to buy in bulk and negotiate a discount with the product supplier, equally they are going to want to put something on top for their upfront expenditure and general inconvenience - the result being, unless you are talking about very cheap and high volume items, manufactured in countries with vastly different cost of living/wages compared to the destination country, the end retain price is essentially the same.

In the specific example here of large and often heavy items being shipped by air-freight internationally, there is no getting around the cost of this - UPS et all set their costs - which on physically large items is based on a ratio known as volumetric weight - and while this can work in the customer's favour (eg. an engine guard needs a big box, with plenty of empty space which can be filled with other items at no or little additional cost, up to the weight specified for that particular package size; conversely this can also lead to some obvious discrepancies ie. if the item is large and light weight like a flat packed decal set mentioned above.

As I always suggest in this queries - if you're planning on buying a number of items from them, contact Rally-Raid and see if you can't combine certain items in an effort minimise the shipping cost - Rally-Raid do not profit from shipping, those costs are set by the carrier they use.

Jx





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Lighting, Electrical, and Wiring / Re: disable ABS when offroading
« on: December 30, 2020, 02:38:36 PM »
*Originally Posted by Oyabun [+]
Well the principle is the same, if you cut power to the ABS motor with a switch it will disable ABS function. The ABS unit is the same on both bikes.
As far as I see the fuse blocks haven't changed, so I see no issue with using the same set - or making your own.

Iím sure if you cut into the power feed wire close to the ABS pump itself, it would still deactivate it in the same way - apparently the issue is/was you canít just cut the wire coming out of the fuse box (which is much easier for your average home mechanic to do) in that same way as you could before - John tried it and they realised the layout was slightly different.

As Oyley suggests above, Iím sure everyone would be pleased if you know of an easy to implement work around for the latest models.

Jx

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