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CB500X - General Chat / Re: CB500X Vs XSR700
« on: October 28, 2018, 09:04:34 AM »
Funds limited?
Isn't everybody?
Being 75% Scots, maybe I'm entitled to be careful with my money  :016: But the other 25% knows the need to spend a few bob on the crap suspension, on either bike.
If I wasn't funds limited, I'd buy out RR and sort out their poor powdercoating (not just on the wheel rims) and provide a proper service to those of us who spend our hard earned cash, keeping their show on the road.

Handling? I have had about 50 bikes over the years and ridden a lot more. I ran the X and the XSR side by side for a week, and I cannot say I noticed a big difference, certainly no unpleasant quirks, but of course, my XSR has a 19" front wheel at present, wheelbase is also different from the MT-07 so there are 2 possible significant factors.

Comfort ? I would say the XSR is marginaly more comfortable for me. With the X, I was always thinking about doing somthing to improve the seat, with the XSR I don't feel the need so much. But here again, the XSR has a different seat from the MT-07

Another plus point on the XSR is "Goodbye" to that horrible brown & badly positioned instrument screen. The XSR has a neat round instrument pod, which admittedly, as standard, is not much better placed than that on the X. However as it is easy to dismount and reposition wherever you fancy, its a big uimprovement.

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CB500X - General Chat / CB500X Vs XSR700
« on: October 25, 2018, 10:57:16 PM »
    I was drawn to the CB500X in 2016, coming from an F650GS BMW single, largely pursuaded by an article in Ride magazine by Chris Scott extolling the virtues of a Rally Raid kitted X.
    I looked at other contenders at the time, including the Yamaha MT-07, but though I loved the engine, its "power ranger" stying put me off and it wasn't comfortable enough. I don't remember trhe XSR version of the 700 Yam being in the showrooms at that time. Maybe I was just a month or two early.
    So I test rode CB500Xs, including RR's demo bikes, including the "Level 3" and I was impressed. I bought a new Millenium Red X and took it to RR at Rushden to have the Level 3 treatment. I remember at the time questioning whether powder coating was adequately durable for the ally rims of the wire wheels and being told they had no problems. Though I really enjoyed the X with its RR improvements, I never felt that its suspension was set up as nicely as the Demo bike had been, despite me taking it back to have its settings checked.
     The bike did 30 months great service. great performance for its size, brilliant economy and nice handling. As I don't run a car, the bike has to run in all weathers, all the year around but I keep it clean and it lives in a nice dry garage. So I was dissapointed in the first winter to see all the spoke nipples going rusty, proving that they were cheap steel ones. I kept meaning to contact RR about this problem but didn't get round to it. The second winter my fears about the powder coated ally rims came home to roost as the rims began to show corrosion flaking off the powder coating. So this time I did contact RR but all I got was 2 sets of new spoke nipples, plated brass ones, like they should have been in the first place, and not much of an apology. And virtually no respose about the corroding rims. I wasn't even asking for new rims. My suggestion was that they might help in getting the rims cleaned up and anodised, and I would rebuild them. Just zero response to that from RR.
     In the mean time the temptation towards a 700 Yam were renewed. Taking the X for its 16,000 mile service, I was lent a 700 Tracer. Again I was so impressed with the engine, liked the effective twin headlamps, but not the bikes overall styling, but it was enough to start me checking out the 700 range and the XSR soon came to my notice. More and more it became "probably my next bike". However, by now the state of the X's corroding wheels made hopes of getting a decent price for it to enable the change.
      Despite this, things began to happen in late July this year. On Ebay, a 2 year old XSR700 modified with a 19" front wheel, for not a lot of money, was being sold by Chris Scott! the same man whose article put me onto the CB500X 2 years before! I placed a deposit and put the X up for sale on this forum. The buyer fortunately didn't object too much the the challenge of what to do with the dodgy rims and it has now gone to live in Hungary. I got the train to London and did the deal with Chris on a street corner and rode it home to Somerset.
       Once again, I was awed by the torquey 270 degree engine, hinting at being a V twin. I know that some CB500X riders have gone over to the 700 Yam models, but then returned to the Honda, but I am pretty sure I wont be doing that. This is a bike I want to keep, maybe for a long time.
      I suspect that for many, the choice revolves around smoothness. To some the Yamaha's engine seems rough and even "vibratory" (compared with some other parrallel twins, you must be joking!) but I will admit, the Yam is not as smooth as the Honda, but for me, my other love being 1980'ish big twin Moto Guzzis, that off beat note of the 700 Yam, floats my boat, and the torque of the Yam is the answer to the only fault I found with the Honda of forever chasing up and down the gearbox.
      The Honda is a good bike and I would never say I made a bad mistake buying one, just that I have found something I like better. The fuel consumption is not as good as the Honda, but I can get over 70mpg but as the tank is only 14 Ltrs, fuel stops do come more often, but the Yam is lighter, and feels it and has a tighter turning circle. Another difference for me is that On the Honda I had not enjoyed narrow, hilly country lanes it the way I had on other bikes, but now on the Yam I am enjoying those same small, steep and twisty lanes again. I think to some extent the X's fairing was off putting for me, but probably it was the constant need to hitch up and down the gearbox, wheras on the Yam as a steepening hairpin bend opens up without warning, almost regardless of what ever gear the Yam is in, it will haul itself up and around without and drama.
      Chatting to other riders, some have said "of course its better, its bigger!" or words to that effect. But, I point out, its still A2 restricted so it Bhp is hardly any more than the Honda. That limitation is only on the top end and dosn't detract from its mid range and bottom end performance, which is what matters, on UK roads at least, today.
      One big advantage to me withe the XSR is the greater ease with which it can be modified. Without the fairing of the X, running an extra wire under the tank is no trouble at all. Fitting a 7" headlamp shell with a Denali LED light unit was dead easy and put the Honda's 2016 LED headlight, literally "in the shade". Looking back I think I bought into the Rally Raid sales pitch, but it was nice to find a company who had put so much into making a good bike even better, but with the XSR there are so many different options out there, and having got the bike at a good price, I have been able to upgrade the Yam's suspension with Andriani fork inernals. One leg controls the compression damping while the other deals with the rebound, and with an Ohlin's shock on the back, it copes with the switchback roads over the Somerset levels, noticably better than the Level 3 X ever did.
     For those who've read this far, I expect many will rush to defend the X, and maybe Rally Raid as well. But remember I am not saying that the X is a bad bike. But on the other matter, while I was already thinking of getting an XSR700, it was Rally Raid's lack of response about the corroding wheels, that made it an easier choice when a suitable bike appeared for sale, and I felt it only fair to share my experience with you.
     So carry on enjoying the Honda CB500X, but if you are wondering about a change, give whichever one of the Yamaha 700s you might fancy a try.


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Bikes for Sale / Re: 2016 Level 3 Rally Raid for sale UK
« on: July 28, 2018, 03:08:37 PM »
Now Sold

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CB500X - General Chat / Re: Farewell
« on: July 27, 2018, 11:01:11 AM »
XSR700

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CB500X - General Chat / Farewell
« on: July 27, 2018, 09:51:12 AM »
Level 3 RR CB500X now sold, so goodbye and good luck with yours and this great forum.

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CB500X - General Chat / Re: A Cautionary Tale.
« on: July 27, 2018, 09:49:13 AM »
I know what its like.
I haven't counted recently but it was 40 someting bikes for me last time I did, and like you, I have just sold my Level 3 RR CB500X.
The replacement is a Yamaha XSR700. The Honda has been a great bike but for me the Yam is so much better, not just because its a bigger engine, but a far more flexible engine with real bottom end torque. Its actually an A2 restricted bike and so its bhp is not much different from the Honda, and its only the top end of its performance that is affected, and that I do not need.
Its not as economical as the Honda but can still achieve 70mpg.
Like the Honda, its built down to a price, thin paint etc but previous owner has done serious suspension upgrades, so I'm not missing out there.
The Honda is nicely styled, but in a different so to is the XSR and all round accessability is better.

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Tyres and Wheels / Re: Continental Trail Attack 2s
« on: July 14, 2018, 06:40:11 AM »
I've been running mine on the Trail Attacks since new having had them on a previous bike. Like you almost all tarmac but some dry trails. Really great on the road and very good mileage.

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Bikes for Sale / 2016 Level 3 Rally Raid for sale UK
« on: July 10, 2018, 04:58:21 PM »
Owned by me from new
2016 CB500X in Millenium Red, with Rally Raid Level 3 mods, fitted by John at RR when the bike was new, and is probably still vewable on Rally Raid's website.
It now has 24,000 miles on the clock and has never been "off road"  Its big 16,000 mile service was done on time and showed no problems as did its more recent service, and apart from a replacement rear disc, the bike has been 100% reliable and trouble free.
As the Level 3 mods raise the whole bike, stands can be a problem. Both side stand and centre stand have been modified to suit.
Up front it has a Puig screen sitting on an adjustable "Palmer Bracket" to which I have added a stainless steel sat nav bracket. There are twin cigar lighter acccessory sockets with rubbur caps.
Under the seat there is an extra fuse box to allow easy instalation of accessorys.
At the rear it has Hepco & Becker pannier frames with a one off tubular stainless brace, which also replaces the grabrails and provides a very useful hitching rail for bungee straps.
It has a Puig hugger, and a Tutoro chain oiler and a protective "sock" over the rear supension unit.
Original cast wheels, Honda pannier frames, original grab rails and spares (not yet needed) such as taper roller head races, forkseals etc. are all included.
Considering the cost of the level 3 kit, a bargain at 4,800.
Posting it on the forum first, but will probably put it on Ebay with that as a start price, if there is no interest.
I'm no good at posting photos, but should be able to email them as required.
Bike is located in Somerset, and every assistance will be offered to prospective buyers.

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Panniers or not?
They make a very big difference, rigid, or soft if they are packed full.
I don't like riding in high winds any more but 30 would be Ok without the panniers.

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On Two Wheels / Re: First, worst, and best bike?
« on: June 23, 2018, 02:28:23 PM »
First bike:
1957 Matchless 600cc twin with sidecar (legal as a learner bike in the UK)
Cost 28 in 1969. Took 6 months to get it sorted, pranged it after 2 weeks on the road.

Worst bike: Difficult to say since there have been over 40 and several were pretty dreadful.
But It has to be the 250cc Royal Enfield. Not a bad machine in its day, but it had suffered badly by the time I got it. A series of learner riders who (like me) thought they knew how to fix it, and the story went that it had been stolen and recovered 5 times and written off twice. I remember it as having more stripped threads than sound ones.

Best bike: Also difficult, but 2 stand out.
1978 850cc T3 Moto Guzzi. I kept it 10 years and spent 2 of those despatch riding on it, doing a thousand miles a week. It kept me fed and clothed and was amazingly reliable.
and
1938 350cc Ariel Red Hunter. Unrestored, but one of the sweetest running and best handling. I could ride it arms folded with the friction throttle set, and had some great trips on it.

The CB500X almost makes it to "Best Bike" but even after 2 years ownership and 23,000 miles it dosn't stir the soul. I think because its a modern bike, I just expect it to do what its supposed to do.

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