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Re: 2019 CB500X
« Reply #130 on: November 12, 2018, 06:36:40 PM »
Their styling has been on point 👌

They won't do it, but an Adv bodied CB650 would have me throwing my money at them (I don't do off road, but the riding positions on Adv's are comfy). Could well be tempted by it though - the prospect of year round commuting on a naked is putting me off...

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Re: 2019 CB500X
« Reply #131 on: November 12, 2018, 06:38:59 PM »
A CB650X (say around 70bhp) would be amazing. I'd be first in line for that.

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« Reply #132 on: November 12, 2018, 06:50:54 PM »
*Originally Posted by Applecorp [+]
A CB650X (say around 70bhp) would be amazing. I'd be first in line for that.

The only way I can see it happening is of the VFR800X gets retired because of Euro 5?

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Re: 2019 CB500X
« Reply #133 on: November 12, 2018, 06:54:42 PM »
They should retire it, it's a heavy beast. A sub 200 kg CB650X is the way forward.   :001:

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Re: 2019 CB500X
« Reply #134 on: November 12, 2018, 07:52:30 PM »
*Originally Posted by Applecorp [+]
They should retire it, it's a heavy beast. A sub 200 kg CB650X is the way forward.   :001:

It is, but it's lovely to ride on the motorway and it's bloody quick, but yes, it is heavy, that caught me out a bit on the test ride.

Costs a bomb to insure as well. For me with only 1 years no claim bonus it costs 300 more per annum to insure it compared to a Triumph Tiger 800 XRT.

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Re: 2019 CB500X
« Reply #135 on: November 12, 2018, 07:57:52 PM »
*Originally Posted by Applecorp [+]
They should retire it, it's a heavy beast. A sub 200 kg CB650X is the way forward.   :001:

Unfortunately not gonna happen. Even the naked 650f is about 210 kg, by the time all farkles and fairings added it would be even more. CoG might be lower than the Vtwin 800, but the weight would not be below 200kg with that four cyl mill.

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Re: 2019 CB500X
« Reply #136 on: November 12, 2018, 08:03:59 PM »
*Originally Posted by Oyabun [+]
Unfortunately not gonna happen. Even the naked 650f is about 210 kg, by the time all farkles and fairings added it would be even more. CoG might be lower than the Vtwin 800, but the weight would not be below 200kg with that four cyl mill.

My MT09 Tracer is only 210kg wet, I see no reason why a 650X couldn't be under 200kg. The Tracer 700 is the same weight as the 500X.
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Re: 2019 CB500X
« Reply #137 on: November 12, 2018, 08:13:45 PM »
Your tracer has a 3 cylinder engine, the 650 mill in the Honda is 4 cylinder. Ironically cubic capacity hasn't got much to do with component weight. The 4 pot engine has a longer crank, a larger block, more of every moving (eg, counterweights, balancing weights etc) and supporting (eg. +1 throttle body, exhaust pipe, more water to cool the +1 cast-in iron cylinder jacket). Would be very surprised to see it getting even close to the weight of your tracer.
Also the new T700 tenere despite using all carbon and unobtanium is still 205kg ready ro roll, with a very light cp2 Yamaha twin.
Not saying it would bot be ideal to get something under 200kg, but the chances as very very slim.

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Re: 2019 CB500X
« Reply #138 on: November 12, 2018, 08:41:31 PM »
You seem to be over complicating this.

The Tracer 700 (I didn't mention Tenere) is a parallel twin 76bhp bike with a half fairing that weighs 196kg, why can't Honda make an equivalent that is also the same weight?
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Re: 2019 CB500X
« Reply #139 on: November 12, 2018, 08:43:19 PM »
Based on my test ride of the 900 GT, the Honda's weight could come from the switch gear alone.

 


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