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Re: 2019 CB500X
« Reply #140 on: November 12, 2018, 08:58:13 PM »
Yes, we want the slipper clutch.

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Re: 2019 CB500X
« Reply #141 on: November 12, 2018, 08:58:52 PM »
*Originally Posted by Applecorp [+]
You seem to be over complicating this.

The Tracer 700 (I didn't mention Tenere) is a parallel twin 76bhp bike with a half fairing that weighs 196kg, why can't Honda make an equivalent that is also the same weight?

Simply because Honda does not have an engine what would be competitive with the 700cc CP2 engine?
Or in other words Honda tries to differentiate with other features. The NC 700-750 mill is a heavy lump, what cannot be built in a short wheelbase - because the heavily slanted engine.
The 500 series mill cannot be enlarged further, and the 650s are kept as four cylinders to differentiate from the twin cyl competition.
Yamaha did great when built the CP2 platform and built it very light so they can create great light weight bikes around it for the developed world which is like 10+15% revenue share of the total market
Honda concentrated on rolling out sh#tl0ads of 500s to the rest if the world and from the profits built the AT as a prestige touring motorcycle. Different approaches.
Just a sidenote. The Tracer is 16 kgs heavier than its naked funbike sibling the MT07. Honda recently isn't a company rolling out particularly light bikes. Add 15 kgs to any of the current Honda platform bikes and You're definitely above 200kg.
I think the closest we'll get to that is the '19 cb500 for the medium run. Again. Ain't saying it would be impossible, or it would not be great. But just pulling out a brand new engine platform of Honda's sleeves is highly unlikely.
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Re: 2019 CB500X
« Reply #142 on: November 13, 2018, 01:39:52 AM »
I'd love the triumph 675 triple engine in this bike for the streets.
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Re: 2019 CB500X
« Reply #143 on: November 13, 2018, 03:38:08 PM »
*Originally Posted by Oyabun [+]
Simply because Honda does not have an engine what would be competitive with the 700cc CP2 engine?
Or in other words Honda tries to differentiate with other features. The NC 700-750 mill is a heavy lump, what cannot be built in a short wheelbase - because the heavily slanted engine.
The 500 series mill cannot be enlarged further, and the 650s are kept as four cylinders to differentiate from the twin cyl competition.
Yamaha did great when built the CP2 platform and built it very light so they can create great light weight bikes around it for the developed world which is like 10+15% revenue share of the total market
Honda concentrated on rolling out sh#tl0ads of 500s to the rest if the world and from the profits built the AT as a prestige touring motorcycle. Different approaches.
Just a sidenote. The Tracer is 16 kgs heavier than its naked funbike sibling the MT07. Honda recently isn't a company rolling out particularly light bikes. Add 15 kgs to any of the current Honda platform bikes and You're definitely above 200kg.
I think the closest we'll get to that is the '19 cb500 for the medium run. Again. Ain't saying it would be impossible, or it would not be great. But just pulling out a brand new engine platform of Honda's sleeves is highly unlikely.

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Re: 2019 CB500X
« Reply #144 on: November 14, 2018, 02:43:36 PM »
I see my local Honda dealer has slashed the price of the 500X again this winter. Brand new 2018 for 4990, bargain. I assume because the 2019 will be out soon.
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Re: 2019 CB500X
« Reply #145 on: November 14, 2018, 02:50:09 PM »
*Originally Posted by Applecorp [+]
I see my local Honda dealer has slashed the price of the 500X again this winter. Brand new 2018 for 4990, bargain. I assume because the 2019 will be out soon.

Great deal. I got a bargain too by waiting until Dec last year. The new model means they will be VERY motivated to discount 2018's. I'm loaning a Tracer btw when mine goes in for it's annual service ;)

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Re: 2019 CB500X
« Reply #146 on: November 14, 2018, 03:17:25 PM »
Indeed, I got the deal last year, although it was 4800.

What Tracer are they loaning you, 700 or 900?

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Re: 2019 CB500X
« Reply #147 on: November 14, 2018, 03:19:57 PM »
*Originally Posted by Applecorp [+]
Indeed, I got the deal last year, although it was 4800.

What Tracer are they loaning you, 700 or 900?

I know this isn't aimed at me, but I rode the 700, 900 and 900 GT and had buffetting on all 3 of them. Less so on the GT but it ruined the experience for me which is a shame (not convinced on their 900 Triple either, trying the Tiger 800 on Friday so that'll be interesting).

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Re: 2019 CB500X
« Reply #148 on: November 14, 2018, 03:26:36 PM »
*Originally Posted by Applecorp [+]
Indeed, I got the deal last year, although it was 4800.

What Tracer are they loaning you, 700 or 900?

Not sure yet? As it's a loan it'll be whatever they have available? I saw you preferred the 900? I'm not sure I want all that power as over the summer I've been riding the X really hard and I would probably do the same with a 900 which may not be a good idea for a more 'mature'  ;) rider like myself!?

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Re: 2019 CB500X
« Reply #149 on: November 14, 2018, 03:45:26 PM »
*Originally Posted by mother-goose [+]
I know this isn't aimed at me, but I rode the 700, 900 and 900 GT and had buffetting on all 3 of them. Less so on the GT but it ruined the experience for me which is a shame (not convinced on their 900 Triple either, trying the Tiger 800 on Friday so that'll be interesting).

The buffeting is bad on the stock screen of the 700 and 900's, soon solved that with a cheap screen extension off ebay. What do you mean, "not convinced on their 900 triple"?
« Last Edit: November 14, 2018, 03:46:52 PM by Applecorp »

 


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