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Heidenau or Similar for 2019 Model
« on: September 16, 2019, 02:17:53 PM »
Hi
I would like to fit Heidenau K60 Scouts to a 2019 cb500x. I can find front tyre in the correct size but nearest I can find for the rear is 150/70 R 17.
The Honda original size is 160/60 R 17.
Am I out of luck for a more off-road type tyre or. Can somebody suggest an alternative tyre or size.
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Re: Heidenau or Similar for 2019 Model
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2019, 05:00:17 PM »
*Originally Posted by Hondadullsville [+]
Hi
I would like to fit Heidenau K60 Scouts to a 2019 cb500x. I can find front tyre in the correct size but nearest I can find for the rear is 150/70 R 17.
The Honda original size is 160/60 R 17.
Am I out of luck for a more off-road type tyre or. Can somebody suggest an alternative tyre or size.
HD

Hi Hondadullsville - The 150/70x17 is the size you would use/want. Most all-terrain tread pattern tyres come in this size carcass (as the overall size of the tyre with the thicker tread is approximately the same anyway) whereas the 160/60x17 is more of a street profile tyre.

Pretty much every tyre manufacturer that offers a more trail/off-road pattern tread makes their rear tyre in the 150/70x17 size - it fits perfectly on the CB rear wheel.

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Re: Heidenau or Similar for 2019 Model
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2019, 05:05:07 PM »
Mitas EO7 is better on the pavement and about the same off pavement. Not sure about size and I'd have no issue mixing with a K60 but matched front and back would be preferred.
The K60s are amazingly long lived but can be slippy on wet pavement...noisy too tho
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Re: Heidenau or Similar for 2019 Model
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2019, 07:58:22 AM »
Mitas E-07's.  As per RR recommendation, front is 110/80/19 and rear is 140/80/17.


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Re: Heidenau or Similar for 2019 Model
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2019, 10:44:11 PM »
An addendum to the above post.  Just back from 3 weeks and 9000 kms road trip.  First 5000 kms was 2up (I weigh 175 lbs, girlfriend weighs about 120 lbs, luggage was about 45 lbs).  97% was on asphalt and the remaining on dirt/gravel roads (i.e. Muley Point, Valley of the Gods etc..).  RR L3 CB500X with 130 Nm spring handled total load very well.  More hp on the Interstate would have been nice but totally manageable.  Not the ideal bike for 2up long distance travel but anything is possible.  The Mitas E-07 (not newer plus version) were fantastic.  Handled everything with control except deep sand.  Tires were great in pouring rain going 120 kph.  On a previous bike, I've gone through 2 sets of Heidenau K60's and the Mitas E-07's are just as good.  I would rate these higher than the K60's because the Mitas are cheaper to buy in North America.  Anyway, the following are pictures of the front and rear tires at "new", "5000 kms (2up)" and at "9000 kms (last 4000 kms solo with about 20 lbs of gear)".  Hope this helps....



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Re: Heidenau or Similar for 2019 Model
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2019, 11:11:45 PM »
I should mention I started the trip with 36 lbs front and 42 lbs rear filled at about 300 ft above sea level.  I checked tire pressure twice on this trip.  5 days and 2800 kms into my ride the front was the same pressure and the rear had lost 2 pounds....I left both tires as is since I was at roughly 4500 ft above sea level and would be going as high as 11,000 ft above sea level.  A week later with another 2200 kms ridden I checked again and the front lost 1 pound and the rear another 2 pounds.  I was at about 2000 ft above sea level so I topped up both tires to 36 lbs and 42 lbs respectively.  Haven't checked tires since returning but the Mitas E-07 and RR rims hold air as well as one would expect. 
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Re: Heidenau or Similar for 2019 Model
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2019, 01:01:18 AM »
Very interesting manray about the tire size. I wonder if my leaking bead might have been exacerbated by the 150/70/17 sized rear I used? I didn't know about the 140/80/17 recommendation. 
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Re: Heidenau or Similar for 2019 Model
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2019, 03:39:40 AM »
*Originally Posted by ncroadtoad [+]
Very interesting manray about the tire size. I wonder if my leaking bead might have been exacerbated by the 150/70/17 sized rear I used? I didn't know about the 140/80/17 recommendation.

Looking at the Mitas fit chart, you are correct.  Your 17" M-07+ in 150 is made for a rim that's 4.25" wide.  The 17" M-07 in 140 is made for a 3.5" rim.  The RR rear rim is 3.5" wide.


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Re: Heidenau or Similar for 2019 Model
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2019, 04:22:46 AM »
*Originally Posted by ncroadtoad [+]
Very interesting manray about the tire size. I wonder if my leaking bead might have been exacerbated by the 150/70/17 sized rear I used? I didn't know about the 140/80/17 recommendation.

for info. You can fit a 150/70x17 on the Rally-Raid rims no problem (they are designed to take either a 140 or a 150, as 150 is the most popular size for rear all-terrain tyres) - a 150 width TKC80 is what I have on my bike currently, and similarly people Run Anakee Wilds and the new Bridgestone AX41 in that size tubelessly too with no issues.

As I suggested on the other thread, it's possible that the stiffness of the E07+ carcass and/or compound is exacerbating the sealing issue, but if anything the bead ought to be tighter against the more narrow rim anyway?

Either way, you really shouldn't have to put 50psi in the thing to keep it inflated... as an example, you can run a 150/70x17 TKC80 tubelessly at 25psi with no problem.

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Re: Heidenau or Similar for 2019 Model
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2019, 07:41:53 PM »
*Originally Posted by manray [+]
.......The Mitas E-07 (not newer plus version) were fantastic.  Handled everything with control except deep sand.  Tires were great in pouring rain going 120 kph.  On a previous bike, I've gone through 2 sets of Heidenau K60's and the Mitas E-07's are just as good.  I would rate these higher than the K60's because the Mitas are cheaper to buy in North America.  Anyway, the following are pictures of the front and rear tires at "new", "5000 kms (2up)" and at "9000 kms (last 4000 kms solo with about 20 lbs of gear)".  Hope this helps....
Very interesting thread as I am about to change tyres on my CB500X with Rally Raid tubeless spoked wheels. I have TKC-80 tyres on my bike now and I am very happy with them. The front 110/80-19 has now 12325 km on them (7658 miles) and they are finished. The rear 140/80-17 has 6013 km with about 1500 km left which gives it about 7500 km (4660 miles). As I am used to, the rear tyre in a set of same make/model, always wear faster. I want to find a rear tyre with even better longevity.

I was first thinking of trying the new Bridgestone AX41 as my next set of tyres,  size 100/90-19 front and 140/80-17 rear. Note I want to try a narrower front tyre this time. It should fit the RR-rim very well. The TKC80 is not made in the size 100/90-19 as a tubeless tyre.

But...I have friend who got the AX41 tyres as his second set of tyres on his CB500X. The tyres is doing very well on all kind of terrain, dry and wet, and the longevity seems to be like the TKC-80s The rear is wearing equally fast as the TKC-80. I want a rear tyre with better longevity and was hoping the AX41 was better than the TKC80. It doesn't seems it has.

I have read a lot about the Mitas E07. They have got a lot of very positive feedback. They perform almost like a knobby in the dirt but has way better longevity. The only cons I have read is that the front is a bit more willing to slide out sideways than the rear if pushing very hard.

I have now decided to try a combo with the AX41 in size 100/90-19 front and a Mitas E07 in size 140/80-17 rear. If the TKC80 front was made in 100/90-19 tubeless I would probably go for that front.
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