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Offline catstevecam

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Re: ABS or no ABS?
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2019, 07:51:34 PM »
*Originally Posted by AJC500 [+]
Surely it's just common sense -

ABS - why not?
A helmet - why not?
Some good boots - why not?
Some armoured clothing and gloves - why not?

Only my opinion, but get ABS, and some decent gear too.

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Re: ABS or no ABS?
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2019, 08:00:19 PM »
                                      :431:
Always wear a helmet, the shoe thing is problematic, as are all safety
measures when riding completely exposed on two wheels.
You can have a $800 helmet and leathers and boots and gloves and
still get a broken neck and be dead or you can wear nothing and
T-bone a car and fly end over end and land on your butt and jump right up and walk away.
Maybe it wasn't your day, as they say!   

But, there is only one  instance on a motorcycle where
ABS would be of any use, and that is a dead straight panic stop on
bone dry pavement. And if any of you think not and have ABS, then
go out and use it on a curve when your getting flung out of your lane
  (Try to tell someone they need to excelerate and lean more!!)
or in the rain when your a novice/ or snow / leaves or dirt in a corner
or go 20 mph and have a buddy pull out in front of you when your 20 feet away
or when you crest a hill and there is a car right there in your kisser
or sliding down a steep dirt hill or you get a flat at speed
on the front tire or high speed wobble when your back tire blows
or a stupid loss of balance in the parking lot at low speed or........

So, If your a novice and haven't experienced all the above things and
any thing else you can imagine, don't feel safe because you have ABS,
and take all these "ABS saved my life stories" with a grain of salt.
Because "sh#t Happens" and if your a motorcyclist, it's coming your way!

                                              :150:
And, If you ever say to anyone "driving in traffic scares me"..........
You need to sell your bike,  "YOU WERE NOT BORN TO RIDE"!!!
« Last Edit: November 13, 2019, 08:10:36 PM by choyashi »

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Re: ABS or no ABS?
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2019, 08:07:43 PM »
*Originally Posted by choyashi [+]
don't feel safe because you have ABS.
True...
The first safety is the rider.
Electronic is only here for the one per cent "not your day" :080:.

Even with a GPS you can lost your way :164: :008:!

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Re: ABS or no ABS?
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2019, 08:39:28 PM »
ABS cannot stop you in one inch when you're going 60 MPH. You would need a miracolizer for that, but such device does not exist, I am afraid.

However, this is my little personal experience: I was riding a non-ABS bike, quietly approaching a crossroad. Did not see there was some gravel on the tarmac, I hardly touched the brakes but the front wheel was on the wrong spot and I crashed. It was so sudden that I didn't even realize how it happened, I just could not believe I was lying down.
Luckily no other vehicles were involved, but my I had right knee injured, it needed tendon surgery. Now fully recovered, but I have been lame for months.

Now, it is very, very likely that if the bike had ABS that would save me from falling. I am very happy to have it now onboard. 

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Re: ABS or no ABS?
« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2019, 10:18:10 PM »
I actually think that todays bikes with all their rider aids are a mixed blessing. I've learnt to respect my bikes and to ride them properly.
A newbie  :026: with very little experience could jump on an R1m and give it hell, good luck trying that on my bike  :745:
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Re: ABS or no ABS?
« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2019, 09:52:04 AM »
*Originally Posted by AJC500 [+]
Surely it's just common sense -

ABS - why not?
A helmet - why not?
Some good boots - why not?
Some armoured clothing and gloves - why not?


Good post,good sence.

Superplasma.

My brother was a country policeman in Scotland, near some very popular bike routes, and witnessed first hand the difference made by good bike gear.  Leather race-suits were OK too - they kept the blood and guts inside in those worst case scenarios that we all try not to think about!!   :005:

Only my opinion, but get ABS, and some decent gear too.

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Re: ABS or no ABS?
« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2019, 10:14:27 AM »
Personally I don't like it - would prefer ABS only on front wheel. Sometimes I'm in supermotard mood and rear ABS is sooo intrusive  :130:

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Re: ABS or no ABS?
« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2019, 02:39:38 PM »
*Originally Posted by raski66 [+]
Problem is I am not an experienced rider :-) So by definition need all the help I can get.

If this technology can help me stop sooner than hitting grandma in a Cadillac that pulled out in front of me because she didn't see me, then I'm gonna want it. Anyway, that's the theory I'm going on...

Yes, there are plenty of scenarios where a rider just can't help it, but a combination of alertness and safety tech like ABS is all to the good, no?

All safety features are welcome. Just to clarify, ABS wont make you stop sooner, there are even some that say the braking trajectory is longer, but those are mostly referring to off-road. But we already know that ABS is better switched off off-road.

What ABS does it to prevent the wheels from locking up when hard braking. When I got the CBX, I thought wow, I really know how to brake, I could not trigger it. Well a couple of weeks ago, a lady stepped into the road without looking, as they often do around here, so I braked as usual, I thought, only to feel the rear ABS kick in. Experience is all well, but in a moment of panic, you are likely to squeeze a bit harder. If the rear locks up, you will low side and probably take that lady with you. If the front locks up, you might high side.

So I would get the ABS, and get a switch to be able to turn it off when offroading.
Ride safe! :306:

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Re: ABS or no ABS?
« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2019, 01:22:04 PM »
ABS= DO IT! If you lock up the rear, you might save it. If you lock up the front tire, kiss your "donkey" good bye! Been there done that! As a salesman who sells Hondas, I push ABS when ever I can, especially new riders. If it saves you ONE time, it is worth it. My understanding that Europe and Canada make ABS standard and I have heard the US DOT is looking into it. As a dealer, it would sure cut down inventory to only have one kind of the same bike instead of TWO! I have heard people tell me they can outdo ABS, Really? Tell me that the next time you ride in the rain. The computer is checking your brakes 60 times a second, my mind isn't that fast! My two cents worth....   
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Re: ABS or no ABS?
« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2019, 04:17:50 PM »
In Germany, it has been mandatory for many years that all newly registered motorcycles must be equipped with ABS. That will have a reason.

 


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