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Re: Honda win the Dakar Rally!
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2020, 03:15:50 AM »
Well,I did say with respect to the 750 engine.."with an extra 10/15 extra horsepower squeezed out of it " how they achieved that would be down to engineering of course but its not an unrealistic expectation from a 750 V twin.
If my 88 XRV650 put out 50bhp,is it unreasonable to think that 65/70 bhp could not be wrenched out of a 750 V twin some 30yrs later? and in a modern off road capable chassis?
Lets face it,its not like Honda have no experience in Rally bikes,they won the Dakar five times in the 80s.

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Re: Honda win the Dakar Rally!
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2020, 03:19:18 AM »
That saved me some typing....from what I read the half a Jazz engine was just a myth...believed by many,but never substantiated.

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Re: Honda win the Dakar Rally!
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2020, 03:29:12 AM »
I was drifting into V twin mode there harking back to the XRV 650.....I should have said..parallel twin.my appologies.

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Re: Honda win the Dakar Rally!
« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2020, 04:49:04 AM »
I think we are in general agreement, Oyley.
Back to the thread title for a minute...so, how much longer do I have to wait before Honda's version of the magic "R2R effect" dribbles down to old wobblers like me?
« Last Edit: January 27, 2020, 04:52:21 AM by Wedgetail »

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Re: Honda win the Dakar Rally!
« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2020, 04:51:30 AM »
Awfully persistent "myth"

Honda NC 700X / DCT - Motorcycle Specs
At the heart of the NC700X is a purpose-built engine and transmission package. ... The NC's engine is based on the one in Honda's four-wheeled Jazz,

The engine is a new design built for modular use it is made to be used in at least three genres of motorcycling: the Integra scooter, NC700S naked roadster and the NC700X, which Honda class as an adventure bike. Who said Honda hasnt got a sense of humour?

The NC700X engine is basically half a Honda Jazz car engine, or thereabouts the automotive division did have a hand in the design and is built for low rpm torque and fuel economy.
https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/bikes/honda/honda-nc700x

Honda NC700X (2012 - 2014) Review | BikeSocial
Oct 11, 2012 - The NC700X engine is basically half a Honda Jazz car engine, or thereabouts the automotive division did have a hand in the design

ar engine
The twin engine of the NC700 is completely new, and it is based on a car engine. This fact predicts a very long life, and it explains the torque that is available from very low revs, and the extremely predictable behaviour.
https://www.lazymotorbike.eu/motorcycles/NC700/

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Re: Honda win the Dakar Rally!
« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2020, 05:14:24 AM »
*Originally Posted by MacDoc [+]
Awfully persistent "myth"

Honda NC 700X / DCT - Motorcycle Specs
At the heart of the NC700X is a purpose-built engine and transmission package. ... The NC's engine is based on the one in Honda's four-wheeled Jazz,

The engine is a new design built for modular use it is made to be used in at least three genres of motorcycling: the Integra scooter, NC700S naked roadster and the NC700X, which Honda class as an adventure bike. Who said Honda hasnt got a sense of humour?

The NC700X engine is basically half a Honda Jazz car engine, or thereabouts the automotive division did have a hand in the design and is built for low rpm torque and fuel economy.
https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/bikes/honda/honda-nc700x

Honda NC700X (2012 - 2014) Review | BikeSocial
Oct 11, 2012 - The NC700X engine is basically half a Honda Jazz car engine, or thereabouts the automotive division did have a hand in the design

ar engine
The twin engine of the NC700 is completely new, and it is based on a car engine. This fact predicts a very long life, and it explains the torque that is available from very low revs, and the extremely predictable behaviour.
https://www.lazymotorbike.eu/motorcycles/NC700/

and dozens more.

Yes, they all went to the original press launch, and regurgitated the particular conversation with the tech who said it was 'essentially like half a Jazz engine' to help describe it's low-rev/high torque/high economy characteristics.

If you look at a parts fiche for the Honda Jazz engine and an NC 700/750 engine it is quite obvious that the architecture shares nothing in common - while the only similarities are the bore & stroke dimensions of the two cylinders, and some sundry seals and rings etc. - typically common parts across a range of Honda automotive & motorcycle engines.

Don't continue to propagate misinformation, do a little research yourself and you'll see the fundamental differences between a transverse car engine and what is otherwise a pretty conventional motorcycle engine, albeit with the cylinders canted further forward than usual.

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Re: Honda win the Dakar Rally!
« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2020, 05:36:48 AM »
JMo has, correctly, caught me out on the Jazz rumour before, and when I looked into it (just a little bit!) it looked like all that happened was that the car division had some (minor) input on the new bike engine design (possibly just a discussion with the bike design team) in an effort to produce an economical, lower revving bike engine......  :016:
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Re: Honda win the Dakar Rally!
« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2020, 05:42:17 AM »
Walk like a duck, quacks like a duck, likely is a duck. I don't for minute think it's a myth.
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Re: Honda win the Dakar Rally!
« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2020, 06:25:18 AM »
Hondas car engineers 'having a had in the design of the 700 series engine' to me sounds sensible and vice versa,makes sense to me to share resources but... it's a far cry from the bike engine being half a Jazz engine.I would guess that many of the journalists are relying on whispers as opposed to actual evidence.
If one believed 95% of Journalists that were invited to the T7 worldwide launches with all the associated 'hospitaly' afforded to them...nobody would consider any other similar bike...until the next  jaunt/bike came along with a similar 'hospitality' package...it was huge,they must have at least 20 bikes plus transport and all the staff and venues to fund.
I have not seen a shred of evidence, so far, that the 700 series engine is that closely related to the Jazz engine..still a myth to me.

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Re: Honda win the Dakar Rally!
« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2020, 06:26:30 AM »
Now if it was half a Type R engine... :046:

 


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